Originally Posted by _Ender_

The one I used was a basic Half Life cheat; Wall hack, aim bot, white walls... cant remember the rest, but it was set up kinda like the OGC one for CS.

From what I remember it was kind of flaky and it didnt work all that great for the alien side, but the "white walls" were awesome for the marines. Skulks had no where to hide.

Texture hacks will likely never be preemptively stopped by CD, as each one has to be specifically detected. I'm betting the wallhack was worthless though, right? What good is seeing through the walls if the player positions CD is reporting are false (and behind you!)?...Did the aimbot work well?

Originally Posted by _Ender_

Hey maybe I'm wrong. Maybe CD changed a lot since then. Maybe they finally figured out a way to stop all cheating... and hey, maybe Jesus will return to us after..

The fact is, no matter how fool prove you think this system is, its not. I am sure somebody has cracked it or is about to crack it... thats life when you play HL engine games. If you dont want to believe that because I dont have "evidence" then so be it, dont believe it. I'm not going to argue this with you because its pointless to try. So go on your merry way thinking that no body can cheat on CD servers simply because a program is running in the background that claims it "stops cheating". If that makes you sleep better at night, then so be it.. just dont think we're all that nieve. Its totally possible if somebody really really wants too.

I never said CD was perfect, I was merely challenging your stance that CD is basically worthless as an anti-cheat program, and that any joe can beat it with 30 seconds on google. One of my questions was how effective the cheat was if it did "beat" CD. If the cheat program isn't faking a valid CD client, then it has false location data for non-visible players, and only approximate location data for visible ones which makes aimbots far less effective. I don't consider "CD-Proof! Hack v7" a threat if all it has is worthless OpenGL transparencies, whitewalls, and a shoddy aimbot. OGC, when it was faking the client, was fully functional and a problem. No cheat maker has successfully faked the CD client for any worthwhile length of time since bunny/system gave up, to my knowledge.

Part of my trade is programming. I know that you can't ever fully trust the client machine, just like you can't expect copy-protection to work once the hardware/software is in the hands of a skilled person. But I do believe in taking reasonable countermeasures to stop all but the most dedicated cheaters. CD has an excellent track record of doing so, stopping even the best efforts of cheat authors from all over. Yes, CD can be beat, but I would be surprised if any really effective cheat, that was obtainable from any of the popular cheat sites or from a simple google search (undistributed custom cheats aren't a serious threat, by their very nature of being low-distribution), would be available for any serious amount of time before being countered by a CD update.

Feb 5 2004, 09:04 PM
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So far this is all hearsay. If you have specific information, please provide it privately to the UA-I team.

FYI - I regularly see people ranting on my pubs that C-D is easy to bypass. When pressed, these people clam up because in actuality they're either repeating what someone else told them (and so on, and so on...) or simply trying to sound important.