NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update)

**Wyzcrak** · 07-08-2005, 03:58 PM

The server is updated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by naturalselection.com

The Natural Selection team is happy to present you with what might be the last server-side update to NS v3.0 (the next version being a larger update with v3.1). This new version contains a number of code changes that are going to be especially interesting for seasoned players.

...

Change log:
- Reworked hit registration code so that it orients itself closer around model shapes. For example, you can now shoot between the Onos' legs without injuring it.
- Removed the shotgun's falloff to remove a number of associated bugs.
- Profiled and optimized server performance to reduce CPU load. Although results will vary from system to system, we expect many server operators to see up to a 10% increase. This is just the first stage of performance optimization, expect more in v3.1.

Enjoy the new version and see you online!

Spyder · 07-08-2005, 05:44 PM

So... The return of shotgun snipers and the hitboxes they told us we'd have quite some time ago? (i'd personally forgotten they'd had to revert to the old crappy hitboxes it had been so long)

**Wyzcrak** · 07-08-2005, 05:47 PM

Shotgun pellets are (will be?) random, so that should solve the sniping problem, unless you insist on calling dumb luck "sniping."

rs_al · 07-08-2005, 06:01 PM

NS episode III.0V RETURN OF THE HITBOXES

Lets hope it's still possible to kill skulks on phasegates

Pfhor · 07-08-2005, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Shotgun pellets are (will be?) random, so that should solve the sniping problem, unless you insist on calling dumb luck "sniping."

They will be random (5 in 7% cone, other 5 in 20% cone) in 3.1. In 3.0.5 the shotgun falloff (which never really worked properly) has been removed but it still has a set pattern. Shotgun sniping has returned.

Zek · 07-09-2005, 08:38 AM

Shotgun falloff(the reduction of pellet damage over greater distances) has been removed, but as far as I know that doesn't mean shotgun range is infinite... I don't see any problem with a small shotgun buff considering the balance situation at this point in time.

Spyder · 07-09-2005, 12:27 PM

Btw, we've tested this on other servers. The new hitboxes are indeed the beta6 hitboxes. (the ones with practically invulnerable skulks....and numerous bugs, most of which we have confirmed are still there)

Lerks and fades are easier to hit, skulks are much harder. (Remember not being able to shoot a skulk on a phase gate? it's back! woo!) basically it's back to almost 0 hitbox front/rear, and very large hitbox on the sides.

Kerostasis · 07-09-2005, 01:19 PM

I've trained myself to shoot at a fade's legs, since his hitbox used to end partway up his chest. Does this mean his chest is now a valid target, but I'm going to be missing by shooting through his legs? I'll have to learn to aim at Fades all over again. =(

HairyNevus · 07-09-2005, 04:20 PM

One thing I noticed that is good about the new hitboxes is fades can acid rocket between onos' legs without hitting them. Useful.

I was killed as skulk on phase gates plenty of times, you sure there's a problem?

Spyder · 07-09-2005, 08:49 PM

If you're positioned right your hitbox "merges" with the PG hitbox. You can still be killed, but it's much harder than it should be (and usually requires sombody be shooting into your backside)
basically if the skulk is on the far side of the PG facing you he's almost impossible to hit through the PG.

Pfhor · 07-10-2005, 11:58 AM

3.0.5 has been in public playtesting for over a month now, and I sincerely doubt that the 100+ people (including pubbers, competetive players, and playtesters) who played the pre-released version failed to catch the skulk phase gate bug that has already been a knowned problem in a previous version of the game. If you really think it is there, go post it on the ns forums because there it hasn't even been mentioned by anybody (that I can see), much less reported.

Also, the "practically invulnerable skulk" that I play as dies just as fast as it always did. I don't see too much of a difference in that department.

**Wyzcrak** · 07-10-2005, 06:36 PM

I... dunno.

I guess it's a little early to judge, but.. I really like the way the 3.0.5 build plays.

Enigma · 07-10-2005, 06:43 PM

Erm, it plays almost exactly the same as the previous version...

**Wyzcrak** · 07-10-2005, 07:40 PM

Maybe it's the server optimizations. I just don't know. I can't put my finger on it.

Pfhor · 07-10-2005, 07:49 PM

Maybe it was just a fluke, but Keres was owning things when she stepped on the field after the update...

I'd say we go to Flayra's house and ask him what the hell happened.

07-08-2005, 05:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Spyder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: MN (Middle of Nowhere, MN) Age: 25 Posts: 979	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) So... The return of shotgun snipers and the hitboxes they told us we'd have quite some time ago? (i'd personally forgotten they'd had to revert to the old crappy hitboxes it had been so long) __________________ a.k.a. NinjaPirateAssassin Celibacy is not Hereditary. Everybody should believe in something - I believe I'll have another drink. Happiness is like wetting your pants, everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth. Flying is easy, Just throw yourself at the ground and miss!

07-08-2005, 05:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,138	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) Shotgun pellets are (will be?) random, so that should solve the sniping problem, unless you insist on calling dumb luck "sniping." __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

07-08-2005, 06:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
rs_al Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 499	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) NS episode III.0V RETURN OF THE HITBOXES Lets hope it's still possible to kill skulks on phasegates

07-09-2005, 08:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
Zek Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 21 Posts: 597	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) Shotgun falloff(the reduction of pellet damage over greater distances) has been removed, but as far as I know that doesn't mean shotgun range is infinite... I don't see any problem with a small shotgun buff considering the balance situation at this point in time.

07-09-2005, 12:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Spyder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: MN (Middle of Nowhere, MN) Age: 25 Posts: 979	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) Btw, we've tested this on other servers. The new hitboxes are indeed the beta6 hitboxes. (the ones with practically invulnerable skulks....and numerous bugs, most of which we have confirmed are still there) Lerks and fades are easier to hit, skulks are much harder. (Remember not being able to shoot a skulk on a phase gate? it's back! woo!) basically it's back to almost 0 hitbox front/rear, and very large hitbox on the sides. __________________ a.k.a. NinjaPirateAssassin Celibacy is not Hereditary. Everybody should believe in something - I believe I'll have another drink. Happiness is like wetting your pants, everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth. Flying is easy, Just throw yourself at the ground and miss!

07-09-2005, 01:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kerostasis Join Date: May 2005 Age: 24 Posts: 2,436	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) I've trained myself to shoot at a fade's legs, since his hitbox used to end partway up his chest. Does this mean his chest is now a valid target, but I'm going to be missing by shooting through his legs? I'll have to learn to aim at Fades all over again. =(

07-09-2005, 04:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
HairyNevus Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 19 Posts: 869	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) One thing I noticed that is good about the new hitboxes is fades can acid rocket between onos' legs without hitting them. Useful. I was killed as skulk on phase gates plenty of times, you sure there's a problem? __________________ "Adios...blimp" -Assy McGee "All of the body parts they will never find, except all the peices that I saved." -Dickie Moist "Mmmmm, Duraflame." -Mountain Man "I don't like Sci-Fi, I love LOVE LOVE it!" - Gordon Crisp

07-09-2005, 08:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Spyder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: MN (Middle of Nowhere, MN) Age: 25 Posts: 979	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) If you're positioned right your hitbox "merges" with the PG hitbox. You can still be killed, but it's much harder than it should be (and usually requires sombody be shooting into your backside) basically if the skulk is on the far side of the PG facing you he's almost impossible to hit through the PG. __________________ a.k.a. NinjaPirateAssassin Celibacy is not Hereditary. Everybody should believe in something - I believe I'll have another drink. Happiness is like wetting your pants, everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth. Flying is easy, Just throw yourself at the ground and miss!

07-10-2005, 11:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
Pfhor Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 19 Posts: 138	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) 3.0.5 has been in public playtesting for over a month now, and I sincerely doubt that the 100+ people (including pubbers, competetive players, and playtesters) who played the pre-released version failed to catch the skulk phase gate bug that has already been a knowned problem in a previous version of the game. If you really think it is there, go post it on the ns forums because there it hasn't even been mentioned by anybody (that I can see), much less reported. Also, the "practically invulnerable skulk" that I play as dies just as fast as it always did. I don't see too much of a difference in that department.

07-10-2005, 06:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,138	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) I... dunno. I guess it's a little early to judge, but.. I really like the way the 3.0.5 build plays. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

07-10-2005, 06:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
Enigma Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Age: 68 Posts: 264	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) Erm, it plays almost exactly the same as the previous version... __________________ "Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

07-10-2005, 07:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,138	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) Maybe it's the server optimizations. I just don't know. I can't put my finger on it. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

07-10-2005, 07:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
Pfhor Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 19 Posts: 138	Re: NS 3.0.5 Released (server updated; no client update) Maybe it was just a fluke, but Keres was owning things when she stepped on the field after the update... I'd say we go to Flayra's house and ask him what the hell happened.

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