Vista - Page 2

Stupid · 02-05-2007, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

who needs a gamma ramp?

I need a gamma ramp to launch my gamma boat off the gamma lake while pulling a gamma skiier and his gamma polar bear. Yeah.

**Ferris Bueller** · 02-05-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Stupid

I need a gamma ramp to launch my gamma boat off the gamma lake while pulling a gamma skiier and his gamma polar bear. Yeah.

Awesome. I'll bring the gamma beer.

**Wyzcrak** · 02-05-2007, 07:21 PM

laffo

**Wyzcrak** · 09-20-2007, 12:16 AM

Anyone have any lingering problems to report with Vista NS? I'm putting together a new box, and I'm thinking about going with Vista.

Agamemnon · 09-22-2007, 02:52 PM

I never did get ns to perform as well in vista as it used to in XP. For one thing, I've never found a way to disable mouse acceleration, meaning that if you had that disabled in XP, your aim will never be as good once you move to vista. It also requires gammaramp 0, which at least for me means I've never been able to get the level of contrast I had in XP, so for the first couple weeks I couldn't even see skulks, let alone hit them. Finally, you may want to do a little research into how various graphic cards perform with vista. When it first came out, nvidia's drivers were horrendous, though I hear they've fixed this problem now (though too late to save me from having to buy a second graphics card).

Kerostasis · 09-24-2007, 12:34 PM

I plan not to switch to Vista at least until after NS2 comes out (whenever that is), since NS2 is supposed to be natively compatible with Vista, right? Then it won't matter so much if NS1 still works correctly or not.

Curlydave · 09-24-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerostasis

I plan not to switch to Vista at least until after NS2 comes out (whenever that is), since NS2 is supposed to be natively compatible with Vista, right? Then it won't matter so much if NS1 still works correctly or not.

Don't hold your breath.

**FireFly** · 09-25-2007, 03:21 AM

One thing that ticked me off is Halo 2 is Vista only..... and I'm not about to get either Vista or an X-box just for one game, after all Halo 3 is on X-box 360. Pretty lame, this Microsoft Corporation. Why even come out with Vista anyway? XP seems to be doing ok.... Now, after a Steam update last week, NS was pretty buggy for me though those issues seem to have smoothed out for the most part, however I haven't been able to play Day of Defeat, either crashes in game or freezes up while "retrieving server info" while connecting to a server, pretty weird, wtf did Steam do??? Everything was peachy before their cursed "update".

**zibalatz** · 09-25-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Why even come out with Vista anyway?

If a company released a product that worked well, addressed all client needs, and was periodically freely updated over time, that company would quite quickly go bankrupt.

Is there any special need for Vista? No, probably not. Nothing feature-wise that couldn't have been implemented in XP at any rate.

Does it effectively create client desire to purchase a new product? Somewhat, but not hugely.

If support for XP is cut-off and more and more software is released exclusively for the new platform, will people shell out for Vista? Yes- because at that point they will have no choice. Already it is difficult to purchase a new PC that does not have Vista on it.

If you think I'm paranoid or too much of a hippie anti-corporate type, consider how Microsoft bought Bungie in order to secure its killer-app exclusive software of Halo for Microsoft's then new platform, the original Xbox. Don't forget that the game was originally demoed at MacWorld '99 to be a cross-platform title. Funny coincidence how, a bit later, Halo 2 PC was released exclusively for Vista and now Halo 3 (which most agree, although it may be a great game, does not look to be, graphically-speaking, leaps and bounds over its predecessors) is being released exclusively for Xbox 360.

P.S. I'm not some kind of anti-Microsoft Linux-loving drone either, but Microsoft does happen to be particularly good at this kind of malarky. On the other hand, companies aren't charity cases, they gotta make money somehow. Some do it by releasing great products, others do it by putting out shoddy products with great marketing. Either way, it gets the job done.

Stupid · 09-26-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerostasis

I plan not to switch to Vista at least until after NS2 comes out (whenever that is), since NS2 is supposed to be natively compatible with Vista, right? Then it won't matter so much if NS1 still works correctly or not.

NS2! When completed now guaranteed to be fully functional with the new Windows 3000 Horizon Edition - Super Media Socket™ and Neuron-to-Transistor (NT™) Technology enabled.

**Eternaly_Lost** · 10-01-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I never did get ns to perform as well in vista as it used to in XP. For one thing, I've never found a way to disable mouse acceleration, meaning that if you had that disabled in XP, your aim will never be as good once you move to vista. It also requires gammaramp 0, which at least for me means I've never been able to get the level of contrast I had in XP, so for the first couple weeks I couldn't even see skulks, let alone hit them. Finally, you may want to do a little research into how various graphic cards perform with vista. When it first came out, nvidia's drivers were horrendous, though I hear they've fixed this problem now (though too late to save me from having to buy a second graphics card).

Mouse acceleration can be turned off in the Control-Panel->Hardware and Sound->Mouse Properties-> Pointer Options by unselecting the Enhance Pointer Precision

@Zib Just about everything from Windows 95 to Vista could have been updated with SP, it just that Microsoft wanted to charge for each major thing. XP SP2 was going to be successor version of XP (kinda like vista is, but in between them), but they decided to give it out for free( If you have XP

).

Microsoft has in affect made it almost impossible to make an version of windows that is both 100% stable, Safe and Backwards compatible, due more not there own design, but that of others. Most BSOD are driver related. Same with Most vista problems I have encounter. My Laptop sometimes crashes on startup, and Vista tells me it is the ATI drivers, Uninstalling them fixes the problem, but I can't really play game well without drivers.

As for Programs, If it was correctly written in the first place, it should work with zero hassle on vista. If a program was written to take advance of a "Feature" read: BUG! that was fixed in vista, it will not work in vista well, or at all. On the bright side, some vista changes require programs to be written correctly,(UAC for one) noticed how I used the word correctly, A lot of software is written and then sold cause it now works, not because it is done. Valve is one of the few companies I know that at least trys to make it written correctly, as shown by the constant delays. so that should be less of a problem from vista to WIN 7.

Basically Vista was needed cause if they added the UAC to XP, people would complain that a lot of Win XP programs got broken, because those programs did not behave correctly, and this was pass offed by requering Admin access to run. Why does my game/program require admin access to run? I know of other games/programs that run just fine at user level, and do the exact same thing.

@ Firefly, The last steam update added Friends In game, that is what is causing problems, not all games nicely support in game overlays.

@ Wyz

Not realy any problems with an Nvidea card. If you plan on getting an ATI, wait, they are not really vista working yet.

If you are getting a sound card, don't get an x-fi, unless it the x-fi prelude from Auzentech, X-fi (just about the only gaming card line untill the prelude) does not work well in vista, due to bad drivers. How ever Auzentech fixed it, so there cards work fine.

**kormendi** · 10-01-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Eternaly_Lost

Just about everything from Windows 95 to Vista could have been updated with SP

That is simply not true. There were significant changes between Windows ME and Windows 2000. Microsoft abandoned the seriously flawed Windows 95 architecture and switched to the superior Windows NT. No service pack could have made that patch unless it was an entire OS installation.

**Eternaly_Lost** · 10-01-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kormendi

That is simply not true. There were significant changes between Windows ME and Windows 2000. Microsoft abandoned the seriously flawed Windows 95 architecture and switched to the superior Windows NT. No service pack could have made that patch unless it was an entire OS installation.

As far as I am aware, one the major differences between win 9x and w2k was the movement over to the NT kernel. Seeing how that SP1 for vista is updating the kernel from 6.0 to 6.1, it might not be imposable to do a SP for each version. However it might be hard.

For proof of this, I point to the vista downloadable version from Microsoft. You buy the upgrade from XP SP2/W2k SP4 , it downloads the install files, you run install in windows, runs though the install stuff, reboots into Vista, no need to burn a cd/dvd and install. So it possible.

As you can read about here
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/co...Id=395&tabid=1
Scroll down to Upgrading to Windows Vista.

EDIT:

Basically all a SP has to do is to copy the files needed to start/install the next os, have it reboot, and have it finished all necessary work on next start. All this requires is that you can change the boot controler to point to a diffent file/os in windows. Not to hard at all.

**Wyzcrak** · 10-02-2007, 09:39 AM

yesterday's xkcd.com:

Stupid · 10-05-2007, 04:51 PM

I blame quantum mechanics.

02-05-2007, 07:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Vista laffo __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

09-20-2007, 12:16 AM	#19 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Vista Anyone have any lingering problems to report with Vista NS? I'm putting together a new box, and I'm thinking about going with Vista. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

09-22-2007, 02:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
Agamemnon Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Age: 28 Posts: 289	Re: Vista I never did get ns to perform as well in vista as it used to in XP. For one thing, I've never found a way to disable mouse acceleration, meaning that if you had that disabled in XP, your aim will never be as good once you move to vista. It also requires gammaramp 0, which at least for me means I've never been able to get the level of contrast I had in XP, so for the first couple weeks I couldn't even see skulks, let alone hit them. Finally, you may want to do a little research into how various graphic cards perform with vista. When it first came out, nvidia's drivers were horrendous, though I hear they've fixed this problem now (though too late to save me from having to buy a second graphics card).

09-25-2007, 03:21 AM	#23 (permalink)
FireFly Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 21 Posts: 41	Re: Vista One thing that ticked me off is Halo 2 is Vista only..... and I'm not about to get either Vista or an X-box just for one game, after all Halo 3 is on X-box 360. Pretty lame, this Microsoft Corporation. Why even come out with Vista anyway? XP seems to be doing ok.... Now, after a Steam update last week, NS was pretty buggy for me though those issues seem to have smoothed out for the most part, however I haven't been able to play Day of Defeat, either crashes in game or freezes up while "retrieving server info" while connecting to a server, pretty weird, wtf did Steam do??? Everything was peachy before their cursed "update". __________________ No matter how good an idea you think it is. If you tfac MS, your team will eject you, your clan will cut you, and your mom wont love you. - RouterBox's guide to commanding

10-02-2007, 09:39 AM	#29 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Vista yesterday's xkcd.com: __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

10-05-2007, 04:51 PM	#30 (permalink)
Stupid Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: God's Country - Texas Posts: 637	Re: Vista I blame quantum mechanics. __________________ Former TGNS admin until WoW blinded me with flashy lights.

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