Seed Credits

**Wyzcrak** · 04-22-2007, 04:02 PM

Please do ask questions, but only after you’ve read all of this and all of what’s provided in the link towards the bottom of this.

It’s common knowledge that the greatest benefit for Supporting Members is being able to join the server when it’s full of regulars. So, any modification to players which makes the server full of regulars happen more often is a service to our SMs.

And so we have created a program which rewards non-SMs who perform this service for our SMs. This program is called Seed Credits, and it enables players to later join full servers when they take the time now to seed an empty one.

The program is low on details, by design. The idea is simple: join a server when it’s empty (or near empty). If people join after you do, enough so that we’ve got enough people to play NS, then the server recognizes your effort to seed the empty server and rewards you with a Seed Credit. Again, the program is low on details by design, but circumstances which prevent the NS mapchange don’t necessarily mean your efforts were wasted. The server remembers these credits, which you can later use, on either server, to join a server when it's full (minutes later, hours later, days later, months later -- they do not expire).

For a bit more explanation, including how to see how many Seed Credits you have (the plugin's operation on the server is transparent), visit http://tacticalgamer.com/ns. Some of you already have credits; the code's been running on the server for days now.

Many thanks to our regulars who turn empty servers into warm, welcoming games we all so much enjoy.

P.S. This is new. PM me with (or post here about) any glitches you observe in it.

**Pokerface** · 04-22-2007, 04:07 PM

Many thanks to Wyz for this work of art.

It's our hope that this will help entice non-SMs to seed the inactive server. The theory is that if you do and are successful, you get a good game of NS on that server. If you're not successful, you'll still be able to get a good game of NS on the full server for your efforts.

1Stop|Beowulf · 04-22-2007, 06:17 PM

Major props guys. You're really quite good at skimming our vocalizations and complaints and coming up with great solutions without any pomp or flair. A+ job on this, really. It completes the change from points to not points, and does a much better job imo.

**usererror** · 04-22-2007, 06:37 PM

Great idea, I'm sure everybody will be really happy with this solution. Let's hope it's not too buggy?

yeh.j2 · 04-22-2007, 08:27 PM

This is neat, will do.

Stupid · 04-22-2007, 10:24 PM

So - just to be clear - one Seed Credit debit per forced server join into a full server?

Second question: the writeup here (http://tacticalgamer.com/ns) says that a forced Seed Credit join kicks a non-share-'gb' player to make room. Does a forced Seed Crdit kick a share-'gb' player if there are no non-share-'gb' players?

**Wyzcrak** · 04-22-2007, 11:33 PM

Yes. One debit per successful connection.

The connection attempt will fail if no non-gb players exist.

**Ferris Bueller** · 04-23-2007, 02:07 AM

YARR! says the pirate. GJ to the Big Dogs who made this possible!

Dr. Pepper PhD. · 04-23-2007, 04:35 PM

Man... i would have a good 50 credits saved up by now if this were earlier

lochness · 04-23-2007, 04:55 PM

sounds like a great idea... im always down for getting this great server going. Just out of curiosity though, why is it "low on details by design"? Ill just assume its to prevent abuse.

micr0c0sm · 04-23-2007, 05:55 PM

that sounds like a solid reason lochness

**Wyzcrak** · 04-23-2007, 07:03 PM

That's part of it, but it's also to just keep things simple. The algorithm I'm using today might not give us the results we want. So, by keeping the details close to the vest, we can change them later without anyone else having to know (or care).

TychoCelchuuu · 04-23-2007, 09:44 PM

Is there any particular reason that this only works for people who have opted in to GB?

**Wyzcrak** · 04-23-2007, 10:13 PM

Sure. Think of access to this incentive as a perk that comes along with taking (non-monetary) ownership of what we're trying to do here.

Donat · 04-23-2007, 11:13 PM

I am not sure they are working. I tried to use one to bump a ? mark on the server when it was full and it just kept putting me on HLTV, i'm sure i have it to the right steam ID, why it wouldn't kick a ? i'm unsure....

Any reason it might not be working? I used connected (IP) just like normal

04-22-2007, 04:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,139	Seed Credits Please do ask questions, but only after you’ve read all of this and all of what’s provided in the link towards the bottom of this. It’s common knowledge that the greatest benefit for Supporting Members is being able to join the server when it’s full of regulars. So, any modification to players which makes the server full of regulars happen more often is a service to our SMs. And so we have created a program which rewards non-SMs who perform this service for our SMs. This program is called Seed Credits, and it enables players to later join full servers when they take the time now to seed an empty one. The program is low on details, by design. The idea is simple: join a server when it’s empty (or near empty). If people join after you do, enough so that we’ve got enough people to play NS, then the server recognizes your effort to seed the empty server and rewards you with a Seed Credit. Again, the program is low on details by design, but circumstances which prevent the NS mapchange don’t necessarily mean your efforts were wasted. The server remembers these credits, which you can later use, on either server, to join a server when it's full (minutes later, hours later, days later, months later -- they do not expire). For a bit more explanation, including how to see how many Seed Credits you have (the plugin's operation on the server is transparent), visit http://tacticalgamer.com/ns. Some of you already have credits; the code's been running on the server for days now. Many thanks to our regulars who turn empty servers into warm, welcoming games we all so much enjoy. P.S. This is new. PM me with (or post here about) any glitches you observe in it. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

04-22-2007, 04:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 29 Posts: 5,722	Re: Seed Credits Many thanks to Wyz for this work of art. It's our hope that this will help entice non-SMs to seed the inactive server. The theory is that if you do and are successful, you get a good game of NS on that server. If you're not successful, you'll still be able to get a good game of NS on the full server for your efforts. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

04-22-2007, 06:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
1Stop\|Beowulf Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Age: 20 Posts: 152	Re: Seed Credits Major props guys. You're really quite good at skimming our vocalizations and complaints and coming up with great solutions without any pomp or flair. A+ job on this, really. It completes the change from points to not points, and does a much better job imo.

04-22-2007, 06:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
usererror Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: BC! Age: 19 Posts: 22	Re: Seed Credits Great idea, I'm sure everybody will be really happy with this solution. Let's hope it's not too buggy?

04-22-2007, 08:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
yeh.j2 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15	Re: Seed Credits This is neat, will do.

04-22-2007, 10:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
Stupid Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: God's Country - Texas Posts: 637	Re: Seed Credits So - just to be clear - one Seed Credit debit per forced server join into a full server? Second question: the writeup here (http://tacticalgamer.com/ns) says that a forced Seed Credit join kicks a non-share-'gb' player to make room. Does a forced Seed Crdit kick a share-'gb' player if there are no non-share-'gb' players? __________________ Former TGNS admin until WoW blinded me with flashy lights.

04-22-2007, 11:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,139	Re: Seed Credits Yes. One debit per successful connection. The connection attempt will fail if no non-gb players exist. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

04-23-2007, 02:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ferris Bueller Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 4,970	Re: Seed Credits YARR! says the pirate. GJ to the Big Dogs who made this possible! __________________ \|TG-6th\|Ferris Bueller Important TG Reading \| Support TG - Become a Supporting Member \| TacticalWiki - Your TG Guide Kicked/Banned? READ THIS FIRST! \| Complete list of TG Admins \| Think Someone Did A Good Job? Nominate Them For a Ribbon! Report Problem Players/Appeal Your Ban \| Learn TG - The TG Mentoring Program __________________ "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." -Lazarus Long

04-23-2007, 04:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dr. Pepper PhD. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dayton Age: 21 Posts: 72	Re: Seed Credits Man... i would have a good 50 credits saved up by now if this were earlier

04-23-2007, 04:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
lochness Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7	Re: Seed Credits sounds like a great idea... im always down for getting this great server going. Just out of curiosity though, why is it "low on details by design"? Ill just assume its to prevent abuse.

04-23-2007, 05:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
micr0c0sm Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 657	Re: Seed Credits that sounds like a solid reason lochness

04-23-2007, 07:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,139	Re: Seed Credits That's part of it, but it's also to just keep things simple. The algorithm I'm using today might not give us the results we want. So, by keeping the details close to the vest, we can change them later without anyone else having to know (or care). __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

04-23-2007, 09:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
TychoCelchuuu Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 19 Posts: 1,776	Re: Seed Credits Is there any particular reason that this only works for people who have opted in to GB? __________________ \|TG-Irr\|TychoCelchuuu

04-23-2007, 10:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,139	Re: Seed Credits Sure. Think of access to this incentive as a perk that comes along with taking (non-monetary) ownership of what we're trying to do here. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

04-23-2007, 11:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
Donat Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 263	Re: Seed Credits I am not sure they are working. I tried to use one to bump a ? mark on the server when it was full and it just kept putting me on HLTV, i'm sure i have it to the right steam ID, why it wouldn't kick a ? i'm unsure.... Any reason it might not be working? I used connected (IP) just like normal __________________

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