drew_952

I simply could not disagree more

Pfhor

Drew, it may be wise to explain yourself a bit more.

My opinion about the subject: if TG ever enables blockscripts, I will stop using scripts without a fuss. Otherwise, I will continue using my little pistol script and my newly aquired medpack and ammo binds. They help me, so therefore I use them if they are allowed.

More info about scripts can be found in this thread on the NS forums, be sure to read the entire thing:

http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/...howtopic=86538

verbose

I've always held that using a script to do anything you couldn't do using normal input devices is unethical. And if you can do it without scripts, why use a script? I want to compete against player skill, not script-enhanced skill. If I wanted to play machines, I'd play against bots.

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Iceberg

There are a few misconceptions about scripts, so much that I dont really have the time to go into details about them. Cliff notes: Most (94%) of the feared exploitive scripts were due to the use of the _special command, now taken out of NS. BS servers pretty much just block any scripts with an argument containing more then one +attack or +jump or either of those two with another command, or non aliased scripts; this means that your med pack calls and other customizing scripts still work (but may need some rewriting due to alias assigning) (all of my own work accept my pscript on bs 1 servers).

I agree that the pscript is more of an exploit... but it isnt as bad as when it was the _special script of old. For the record, I also consider the wiggle walk script an exploit, and those two scripts are the only ones I consider bad.

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drew_952

I agree. And I especially don't mean to lessen lazyeye's reputation. He is a joy to play against AND with.

I've been playing NS for a while. The build before 1.04.....someone help me out. anyway, I've seen the game change, like the changing marine strat and alien strat. The methods to get you an advantage have also changed per build.

Currently I'm talking about the Blink-straight-to-Swipe bind. Makes it seem like they are blink-killing you. And the skulks seemless Leap-to-Bite.

But i'm not here to argue that. I'm here to argue a previous point that scripts/binds give you no advantage; I could not disagree more. And this point:

"Umm anything possable with a script is still possable without a script"

I disagree. AGAIN I LUV THE LazyEye. But I hate the "bind mwheel +wait jump;wait..."

Pfhor

Could you please explain all this _special stuff I've been hearing about, or at least find some place I could get the info? I started playing NS when 3.0F came out, so this is unfamilar to me.

Infro

Whats the difference between using the mouse wheel and using a three jump script/pistol script? i mean, with my mouse wheel, i could bind it to +attack, and scroll it and watch it shoot faster then i could ever hope to click or press space to jump. Yet this is alright? What about a guy without a mouse wheel, or with a mouse wheel that doesn't send mwheelup/down commands every time it scrolls down once? This isn't to mention the fact that other programs can do macros of any human input. (eg send 1000 left mouse button down and up messages to HL every second). Things that exploit I can see though. After using a wiggle walk script for the past couple days I feel like that wasn't intended for the game and is rather exploiting. (seeing a marine walk backwards faster than he could normally walk forwards was rather annoying.) What i can't see is people saying so and so shouldn't use scripts because he isn't "talented" enough to click that fast, or they aren't "talented" enough to time their jumps correctly.

Iceberg

Pfhor: The _special is a command that essentialy "breaks" a repeating or heavily in depth script. Without it's implementation, you were basicaly "locked" into whatever large script you wrote untill it finished.

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verbose

With everything in life, there are no absolutes. There are two gray areas here.

1) Using a mouse wheel to simulate rapid pressing of a key: If it smells fishy, it's probably a fish. The user is simulating a behavior that can be performed otherwise but at a lesser (human) speed. If everyone used their mousewheels to empty pistol clips, what's the point of a guy practicing his virtual trigger-pull? Eliminating a skillset entirely by use of a device or program doesn't seem ethical.

2) Devices that others don't have: Mommy, his baseball bat is better than mine, so he can hit further! The question that should be asked is: does the device accentuate the operator's ability, or does it replace it? A mouse with a higher degree of precision will enable a quality sniper to perform better, but he still has to be a good shot to utilize his device to its full potential. That same mouse will also probably make a not-so-great sniper a bit better than he was before, but he'll still get stomped by a great sniper with a PackardBellModel7 mouse. There is nothing unethical about using the best tools available to you, as long as those tools themselves and the manner in which they are used is ethical. If that means that the guy with the bigger pocketbook might have a technical edge over you because he has UberMouse2000 and you have PackardBellModel7, you just have to deal and compensate in other areas, such as strategy or human skill.

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Ballisto

I use the mousewheel.