Re: Started to do some photoshopping

**hayes321** · 04-29-2006, 01:11 PM

I did some photoshopping aswell. I dont have anyone to model for me so i use myself. Since im a young wipper snapper these are my facebook pics aswell

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What do you guys think?

**TychoCelchuuu** · 04-29-2006, 05:50 PM

The first one looks like that was about 10 minutes with the magentic lasso, which isn't exacly the most advance dthing Photoshop has

The second one looks like a drawing or something. Those work better on a piece of paper than in a photo manipulation program, but to each his own.

**sordavie** · 04-29-2006, 09:00 PM

That's some nice constructive criticism...

**hayes321** · 04-30-2006, 12:14 AM

Yeah your right the first one was a bunch of masking basically, the second one was actually "rotoscoped" if you know what that is.

**TychoCelchuuu** · 04-30-2006, 01:45 AM

Rotoscoping is used for animation; in that case I wouldn't bother with the details like the little hairs and stuff that you've added in that picture. Also, I can't tell if it's the compression or the colors, but the hair has some odd stuff around the sides, and there's also a bit of it in the eyebrows. And the shadow on the left eye (his right eye) isn't completely filled in.

**CingularDuality** · 04-30-2006, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by hayes321

What do you guys think?

Way better than anything I can do!

**hayes321** · 04-30-2006, 02:18 PM

Lol thanks cing. Yeah, after i pulled up the full 25mb picture i realized that, thats just compression. Wich kinda sucks... compression kills.

**Pommetje** · 05-01-2006, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Xink

some very nice images there, id say all you need to tweak is the compostion as already stated, also think about the colour balance across the image also, its important to establish good placement of elements as much as it is to balance and counter-balance the colours in each image, for example your image of the boat could really do with a hint of colour to the bottom right of the image to counter the heavy presence at the top.

Thanks Xink, really started reading up on the theory of photography, but WOW its very complicated. ISO-values, Shutterspeed, White-balance, composition, rule of thirds, colourbalance, etc.........so much more than just point and shoot with a compact camera......but a lot of fun.

And Hayes: I like the second image, did you use a graphicalpen or a mouse?
The first picture would be nicer if you would use a maskinglayer instead.
As stated I'm just starting of on photoshop so maybe not the best person to criticise, but just my 2 cents.

Marco

edit: some typos

**Bodofooko** · 05-01-2006, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by TychoCelchuuu

The second one looks like a drawing or something. Those work better on a piece of paper than in a photo manipulation program, but to each his own.

Since when is photoshop not used for drawing? There are quite a few people who make their living illustrating with photoshop.

http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=137

**TychoCelchuuu** · 05-01-2006, 12:24 PM

You'll notice those are the "CG Society" forums. People only post their CG work there. I can certify for you that 99% of those people can draw in real life. Go to any art forum, anywhere on the Internet, and ask if you should learn to draw in Photoshop, or in real life. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is goign to tell you to learn to draw before you mess around with Photoshop. Apply to any computer art program in college, and they will ask you to have a traditional art background.

**Bodofooko** · 05-01-2006, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by TychoCelchuuu

The second one looks like a drawing or something. Those work better on a piece of paper than in a photo manipulation program, but to each his own.

I don't see you mentioning anything about learning to draw there. You simply stated that drawing works better on paper than in photoshop. And I can certify that 87.4% of all people who draw in photoshop prefer it to drawing on paper. Don't worry, I already checked the entire internet and interviewed every artist who ever lived, so I can guarantee that figure is accurate.

edit: oh, and PS, I do have a degree in graphics design. And believe it or not, I took a course in photoshop before I took figure drawing.

**CingularDuality** · 05-01-2006, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by TychoCelchuuu

You'll notice those are the "CG Society" forums. People only post their CG work there. I can certify for you that 99% of those people can draw in real life. Go to any art forum, anywhere on the Internet, and ask if you should learn to draw in Photoshop, or in real life. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is goign to tell you to learn to draw before you mess around with Photoshop. Apply to any computer art program in college, and they will ask you to have a traditional art background.

Didn't Hayes tell you that he's a professional artist for DC Comics? Just because he's new to Photoshop doesn't mean that he can't draw...

In other words, let's keep our criticism constructive. I don't want to delete posts, but I will.

**TychoCelchuuu** · 05-01-2006, 06:01 PM

I didn't realize that the picture was an attempt at rotoscoping; you'll notice my criticisms of it point out details that would be more trouble than they are worth in an animation, so I figured he was using Photoshop as a substitute for traditional drawing techniques. Now that I know it was an actual effect he was going for, and not just a drawing he did, I have modified my criticism appropriately. I'm doing the best I can to help him, and as far as I can tell he doesn't mind, so unless a post has no helpful content (like Bodo's or my response to him) I can't see why you would delete it.

**hayes321** · 05-02-2006, 02:06 PM

Yeah I used a mouse, if I had the cash I would love a wacom tablet. Does anyone here have one?

EDIT: Actually Cing, im not terribly bad at PS, these were done in "Fireworks" as just some fun test photos. I did use a mask for the first one, but could not seem to perfect it.

**Pommetje** · 05-02-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by hayes321

Yeah I used a mouse, if I had the cash I would love a wacom tablet. Does anyone here have one?

EDIT: Actually Cing, im not terribly bad at PS, these were done in "Fireworks" as just some fun test photos. I did use a mask for the first one, but could not seem to perfect it.

I have, was the best thing I bought in a long time. Just a small one (A6) but it does the job. Makes controling photoshop so much easier as well as being good to prevent me from getting RSI in my wrist (starting to get the first symptons).

On the mask thing, what you should do is make the brush not 100% hard but use a softer one (like 50%) and outline your picture until your happy. Thats why a mask is better then the magic wand, I use that latter one a lot but when you make a mistake its not easy to correct. With the mask its just a matter of painting it over with the other colour.

Did I read I correct your doing some drawing for comics? If so, can you post some of your work? Very interested in what other people can came up with.

Take care,

Marco

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