Originally Posted by DrunkenSoul

Just a suggestion and I know the support weapons arent the greatest, but wouldnt it make more sense for the support to be part of suppress instead of flank. If thats the case you still have a problem with an AT to be a flanker with the gun given.

I had thoughts about the Support class in a different thread, so I'll just include them here:

{BEGIN LENGTHY RAMBLE}I wanted to say something about the Support role in BF2 as the main deliverer of suppressive fire. As we all know, the accuracy of the SAW sucks in the game as it is -- it's really bad beyond even ~20 yards, and I'm sure this is DICE's way of avoiding the uber-M60 of early Battlefield Vietnam. I remember the situation you were talking about earlier, Can, but I think I just got lucky that night. In many instances since then when I've been Support, I just haven't been able to use the SAW effectively to suppress because of its horrible accuracy (and also because guys aren't afraid of getting hit if the weapon DOES actually connect, as has been mentioned by others).

SO....I wanted to suggest an alternative to fire teams built around a Support. One way to provide heavy fire (in real life tactics) in the absence of a SAW is to use the automatic riflemen in the squad to lay down fire. In BF2, this would equate to the Assault class, and also the Medic class to a lesser extent since his rifle is sufficient. A couple of Assaults/Medics could lay down good suppressive fire, and the difference in BF2 is that it would be *accurate* fire. Magazine changes would have to be timed to avoid a gap in fire, but this could be handled with a little coordination. Also, the Assaults could double as grenadiers when needed, as they have their underslung grenade launchers handy to reach out and touch someone.


Resupply can be an issue, and having a Support along to provide ammo is a Good Thing in some cases. Also, as has been mentioned, the Support class rules in CQB. Which makes me think about this:

Instead of hanging back, what if the Support class is actually part of the assaulting/flanking fireteam? Imagine the German "Sturmgewehr" tactic from late WWII, but modified for BF2. I mean, when you think about it, since the SAW's accuracy is so bad in BF2, basically the Support class is carrying around an uber-submachinegun (LOTS of ammo, extremely lethal at close range, but not so much at longer ranges). So if we have him moving -- instead of firing -- most of the time until he gets close to the assault objective anyway, his gun's crappy accuracy doesn't really hinder him. But, when he gets in close, he gains the advantage in CQB when trying to turn the flag (or whatever the assault objective is). He also has an endless supply of grenades to toss (most people seem to forget about these when playing Support), so lobbing a couple of these onto the assault objective could help soften it up for the final push. THEN, when the objective is captured and the squad is regrouping, the Support guy could pass out ammo to everyone else.

The only real drawback I see would be that the Support class doesn't have a lot of endurance, so he might slow down the assaulting/flanking fireteam if he has to sprint long distances.


On defense, I think the Support guy's role is more obvious. He'd be more of the "last line" of defense, and would hose the place down with lead if too many baddies got inside the squad's perimeter. He'd also keep everyone stocked up on supplies in case a Crate wasn't handy so that a high volume of outgoing fire could be maintained.{END LENGTHY RAMBLE}


Whew! I think Can is considering giving this a try in his "basic infantry" squad structure, so I imagine that's why he has the Support as part of the assaulting/flanking fireteam (correct me if I'm wrong, Can).

Originally Posted by DrunkenSoul

Suggestion: When using VOIP to talk to ur specific team...lets say im bravo and i want to talk to my other bravo member. Instead of saying "hey you need backup"..maybe it should be "bravo:need backup here". So if you only want to talk to your minisquad use (alpha/bravo/charlie etc) when you start talking to that person knows to listen up, while the other can ignore you. But if you want to talk to the whole C-team squad you just start talking. Make sense?

Good idea. I'll try to incorporate this into my radio comm whenever I'm a FL.

Originally Posted by DrunkenSoul

BTW..is there any way to communicate with you (Canavar and Strag) so i know when you guys are playing and which server (either the 48 or 64 person). Because i really enjoy playing with you guys and would like to again.

We'll have to figure out how best to handle this. I also enjoyed playing with you, DrunkenSoul, and would definitely like to again. I know Can and I both have XFire, and we also have a clan Teamspeak server where we could all meet up before heading into BF2. Besides those means, there's always these forums and e-mail. Can, what would you prefer to do?


Another thought -- if C-Team grows beyond five or six guys who show up regularly, maybe we should consider how to handle a second squad on the same server(?). That way, more than six guys can get the C-Team experience on a given night.