Re: Real Life Army-Sized Squads

**Phelan Ward** · 09-25-2005, 11:13 PM

Cingular, where do you dig all these little articles out of? BTW, I thought the FSM letter was some incredible work. I want to shake that mans hand.

**Cpig** · 09-25-2005, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

How would you arrange them in-game?

Same as real life, Squad leader controlling two, 4-man fire teams. Difference would be fire-team composition which would vary depending on mission. Real life (Army) infantry fire team had Team ldr, SAW gunner, M203 grenadier and rifleman. Snipers, Medics and AT tms were normally a Battalion asset but could be pushed down to a rifle squad if mission called for it (not likely though).
I suppose in game, I'd want to have two fire teams consisting of Engineer, Medic, AT, and SAW gunner. This could, of course be task organized differently depending on mission, enemy, etc... Squad leader would control these two mutually supporting fire-teams.

**CingularDuality** · 09-26-2005, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Cpig

Same as real life, Squad leader controlling two, 4-man fire teams. Difference would be fire-team composition which would vary depending on mission. Real life (Army) infantry fire team had Team ldr, SAW gunner, M203 grenadier and rifleman. Snipers, Medics and AT tms were normally a Battalion asset but could be pushed down to a rifle squad if mission called for it (not likely though).
I suppose in game, I'd want to have two fire teams consisting of Engineer, Medic, AT, and SAW gunner. This could, of course be task organized differently depending on mission, enemy, etc... Squad leader would control these two mutually supporting fire-teams.

That sounds good, except that the game doesn't support that. A third party comm app would have to be used (like Teamspeak). I think that the 1st MIP is doing something very similar to this.

The game is also limiting in that only 9 squads may be formed per team and a maximum of 32 players per team. Your system would allow for 3 squads of 9 (6 BF2 squads) and room for 4 more teammates (an air squad?).

Personally, for the game, I think that the flexibility of having a "squad leader" for every fireteam is much more powerful for the commander that knows how to use them. I think that the game is simply too limiting in many ways to try to ascribe all the attributes of a real-life rifle squad to it...

**CingularDuality** · 09-26-2005, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Phelan Ward

Cingular, where do you dig all these little articles out of? BTW, I thought the FSM letter was some incredible work. I want to shake that mans hand.

Google is your friend. I just searched for "Marine rifle squad" and it popped up in the first few results...

There are many more good articles, including the Marine Rifle Squad Manual, at that site: http://www.2ndbn5thmar.com/

**Wulfyn** · 09-26-2005, 04:22 AM

iirc from my cadet days, a British squad (or section as we call them) comprises of 8 men. The section will split into 3 fireteams. You have 2 assault fireteams, which is led by the IC and 2IC (usually a corporal and lance corporal). The normal makup of these men is to all be equipped with the sa80. The remaining 2 men are equipped with LSW (light support weapon) which is a heavier modified version of the sa80 (and would fill the same role as a SAW etc). These 2 men form a 'gun group'. In a section attack each fireteam would advance upon the enemy, with the gun group providing suppressive fire but not moving.

**CingularDuality** · 09-26-2005, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Wulfyn

iirc from my cadet days, a British squad (or section as we call them) comprises of 8 men. The section will split into 3 fireteams. You have 2 assault fireteams, which is led by the IC and 2IC (usually a corporal and lance corporal). The normal makup of these men is to all be equipped with the sa80. The remaining 2 men are equipped with LSW (light support weapon) which is a heavier modified version of the sa80 (and would fill the same role as a SAW etc). These 2 men form a 'gun group'. In a section attack each fireteam would advance upon the enemy, with the gun group providing suppressive fire but not moving.

Who carries the ammo for the "gun group"? Is the LSW belt fed?

Nevermind... Found it here: http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/pw/pw_sa80.htm

You like the SA80? I shot in the Eastern Division Matches with some Royal Marines and they all said that it was a piece of poop.

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