Re: What movement and fire tactics do you use most?

**WhiskeySix** · 04-04-2006, 06:22 PM

good point - the other disadvantage of a column is it's super visible on a CO map - indicating squad size and direction... a blob of dots on the other hand is less likely to reveal either.

**jmaker** · 04-05-2006, 08:47 PM

BigGayAl can you explain what bounding overwatch is?

**Dick Blonov** · 04-05-2006, 09:48 PM

Some 1st MIP goodies here

And while BigGayAl is sleeping Specifically (see page 42)

**BigGaayAl** · 04-06-2006, 12:50 PM

Thanks B. Dick LOL.

Wouldn't have known how to start explaining it myself. Thanks.

**ChIck3nL3gz** · 04-06-2006, 05:52 PM

There is a lot of really good information in this thread. Especially since reading Al's "Wedge" formation that might be something to start to practice regularly.

To add to waht I posted earlier I like to split up into pairs. I do it on instinct. I dislike being alone on the battlefield so I'll find someone in my squad and just stick with him. If I can't find myself sticking with someone in my squad; for example, like I got seperated or wandered off to give ammo to another squad near my own, I'll hook up with another unit temporarily and just stick close to one of the other squad's soldiers until I can spot someone from my own squad.

I find that if you work in pairs its also easier to be protected from enemy fire. This way you can watch the person your with back and he'll watch yours, even if it is temporary.

I also try to use bounding overwatch a lot. I dislike having to run flat out to an objective as I play support a lot and it seems the kit gets winded quicker. So, if I can I move cover to cover and I'll try to lay down covering fire. But sometimes I don't want to give away my position so I'll just hold my fire until the moment is right.

**WhiskeySix** · 04-06-2006, 05:59 PM

good call on the pairing-up thing chicken. this is especially helpful if you're a medic... following someone around - if they square-off against someone and loose, you can often finish them off and then revive your buddy.

**Acid** · 04-06-2006, 06:14 PM

Chicken, the support kit makes you run slower, but i believe that you run at normal speed if you swich to your pistol.

**eGoatBoy** · 04-07-2006, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by ChIck3nL3gz

...To add to waht I posted earlier I like to split up into pairs...I find that if you work in pairs its also easier to be protected from enemy fire. This way you can watch the person your with back and he'll watch yours, even if it is temporary...

I've been SL and asked the team to work in pairs...2 guns are always better than 1.

As WhiskeySix says though it's good to clear the threat before trying to revive if you're a medic!

Too many times have I revived a guy only for both us to be killed a moment later...sometimes by WhiskeySix...

Cheers.

**BigGaayAl** · 04-07-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by black death5

Chicken, the support kit makes you run slower, but i believe that you run at normal speed if you swich to your pistol.

Mmmkay I think you are mistakin here. As far as I know, all kits have the same runspeed, only the bar lasts longer or shorter (shorter for support, longest for sniper imho). Plz correct me if i'm wrong.

**JimmyTwoHand** · 04-07-2006, 03:42 PM

I also try to use bounding overwatch a lot. I dislike having to run flat out to an objective as I play support a lot and it seems the kit gets winded quicker. So, if I can I move cover to cover and I'll try to lay down covering fire.

I think this is one of the easiest ways to increase squad effectiveness. Make sure that whoever is leading the squad be that the SL or a designated pointman is aware that they are responsible for keeping the squad together. AT/support kits will appreciate the odd breather.

You may arrive at a destination slightly slower but your medic will have sprint meter to make revives, your support and AT can actually react quickly to meet a threat rather than being 50 meters back and having a meter in the red. It also allows a little leeway if you all suddenly need to break for cover or avoid arty etc. If you are leading either just use sprint to cross exposed ground or never let the meter go below 1/2 - 1/3. This will allow those with less sprint capability to keep up and keep a reserve.

Sometimes speed is essential, at other times it is better to have a slower advance which leaves you squad cohesive and fresh to react.

**Acid** · 04-07-2006, 04:59 PM

Actually, now i'm not sure. Bounding Overwatch stragegy looks useful, but I still like the unorginized look of "get to point B however you can"

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**BigGaayAl** · 04-07-2006, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by black death5

Actually, now i'm not sure. Bounding Overwatch stragegy looks useful, but I still like the unorginized look of "get to point B however you can"

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With all tactics, effectiveness will depend of the situation in which they are applied. There are no rules for this. Anything will work in some situation, even if it is just because it is doing something different.

So you are right not to throw away any tactics.

**eGoatBoy** · 04-07-2006, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by JimmyTwoHand

Originally Posted by ChIck3nL3gz

...I also try to use bounding overwatch a lot...

...I think this is one of the easiest ways to increase squad effectiveness...

JTH (or anyone with bounding overwatch experience)...a couple questions:

Under what conditions do you use it? ...i.e. when approaching an area where contact is expected or once contact has been initiated and you are closing the gap?

I don't think I'm clear on the in-game advantage...besides helping keep the squad together through disciplined movement.

Cheers.

**John CANavar** · 04-08-2006, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by eGoatBoy

JTH (or anyone with bounding overwatch experience)...a couple questions:

Under what conditions do you use it? ...i.e. when approaching an area where contact is expected or once contact has been initiated and you are closing the gap?

I don't think I'm clear on the in-game advantage...besides helping keep the squad together through disciplined movement.

Hey Egoat,

The biggest tactical advantage of bounding overwatch is to have one of your fire teams always ready to engage immediately in a defensive position with cover/concealment. It is the overwatching team which is in a defensive position (usually prone) ready to fire as soon as contact is made. As you know, going to prone, taking firing position and targeting enemy all takes some time and even though it is short, it is a huge tactical advantage if you are already prepared to engage.

The second advantage is the ability to rapidly switch a suppress/flank maneuver from bounding overwatch. Lets say your overwatching fire team (Alpha, front) is waiting for the bounding fire team (Bravo, back), to catch-up and advance forward to take overwatch position. Suddenly, contact is made. Alpha can immediately suppress/partially eliminate enemy and Bravo, instead of going forward, takes a flank to finish the enemy. In some times, enemy will not even know that you have a second fire team because it would be bounding from back.

I can also add that these are not theoretical notes but actual situations we experienced during several battles, especially on urban maps. It is simply an amazing feeling when you see your squad successfully perform such tactical movements and all procedure development and practice pay off.

The most appropriate place to apply bounding overwatch is urban environments.

**eGoatBoy** · 04-08-2006, 01:30 AM

John...thanks for that. Great stuff and very very encouraging to hear that you've used it, and it works.

In your experience do you mostly use bounding overwatch between fireteams (as your post suggests) or do you also use it as individuals in the team...

E.g. Alpha FT has 3 members, Bravo FT has 2 members. Alpha moves to cover, prepares firing positions. Bravo moves past Alpha, but do the 2 members of Bravo provide their own bounding overwatch for eachother...or they don't bother since they are covered already by Alpha?

Hope that ramble is clear.

Cheers.

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