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    Re: C4 inside flag a viable tactic?

    I would like to see either Engineers or SpecOps be able to kill C4.

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    Re: C4 inside flag a viable tactic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRooster1
    Whattup Smoking.

    I agree its a cheap tactic, but its a cheap tactic that is "real world".
    Well, sorta. We don't take contol of a base, leave it, then blow the crap out of it if the enemy notices we're gone and rolls in.

    We're not going to start applying the Geneva convention to our fights, are we? B/c in that case, you can't use .50 cal autos against infantry.
    I've never shot a .50cal at infantry. I have, however, shot at the canteen they were carrying and missed. :P

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    Re: C4 inside flag a viable tactic?

    I guess there was nothing to argue about today ....

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    Re: C4 inside flag a viable tactic?

    Quote Originally Posted by AzrealDarkmoon
    I would like to see either Engineers or SpecOps be able to kill C4.

    Az

    I agree and I hope EA makes this change. Of course, you'd be required to disarm it, taking 3 to 4 seconds, before picking it up. It would open up more oppotunities and make the game a little more intersting/challenging by forcing the SpecOps guys to think about how to conceal the C4 better so it isn't discovered.

    As far as being a cheap tactic, I can't agree. I mean, you just have to be careful when approaching the flag. If no one from the other team is right there around it, that might be an indication that its booby-trapped. And as far as the defending team leaving and then blowing it because the flag has turned, that doesn't give them the flag back. It is now neutral and pretty much up for grabs. Like Santa said, it just slows the attacking team down. That's why you only send in one guy as a sacrifce. (Of course I'm biased, I love playing SpecOps!)

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    Re: C4 inside flag a viable tactic?

    C4 INSIDE THE FLAG WHERE NO ONE CAN SEE IT. I think c4 surrounding the flag is perfectly acceptable.
    The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving.



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    Re: C4 inside flag a viable tactic?

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeySix
    you mean when you put it on the 'cement block' at the base of the flagpole? (for some reason the c4 disappears into the concrete)...
    YES!

    PS- I meant to say valid.
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    Re: C4 inside flag a viable tactic?

    Quote Originally Posted by IRS_Agent
    PS- I meant to say valid.
    I can't pass you if that's your final answer.

    I think you are looking for one of the following phrases.
    - "an accepted tactic"
    - "a legal tactic"

    And if I'm right, then the answer is "yes" either way.

    When I first saw the disappearing C4 on the flag I thought it was unfair, but then I realized that there were all kinds of places you could pack C4 where it was just as invisible. Likewise for explosives in real life.

    I have doubts that C4 removal will be implemented. The fact that they planned to do it and then gave up on it tells me that they ran into a serious technical hurdle.
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    Re: C4 inside flag a viable tactic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokingTarpan
    Much as I know it'll never stop, I wish people would quit using C4 on the flag as a tactic. In my eyes it's pretty much a cheap shot. I wish EA/DICE would have enabled the SpecOps guys to pick up C4 packs, or at least disarm them.
    Meh, there are very few flags you can cover adequately with C4. If I see a flag I'm trying to cap has C4 on it, I search for a spot that's safe and wait there. It's rarely a big deal.

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    Re: C4 inside flag a viable tactic?

    Quote Originally Posted by icky
    I have doubts that C4 removal will be implemented. The fact that they planned to do it and then gave up on it tells me that they ran into a serious technical hurdle.
    I agree that I doubt they'll ever implement it, but not for the same reason. The code to do this has to already partially exist; the engineer can already pick up enemy mines. They'd probably have to add in a defuse kit for the Spec Ops (and Sniper for claymores?), then it wouldn't be much different at all.

    I think they'll skip it because they're getting tired of supporting this game and would rather focus on the next game.

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    Angry I know i've done this before....

    Alright, I'm gonna get right to the point-- I think we should kick for C4 inside the flags. Why?, because it's an annoying exploit that uses a flaw in the game to allow a player to place C4 inside a flag, giving them an unfair, and unrealistic advantage. Also, assuming it's an exploit, it goes against article 3 of the tactical gamer primer
    3) Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine, regardless of the level of advantage, if any, it gives over the opposing team.
    . I personally think it should be treated like any other exploit, such as bunny hopping, we all know that if we bunny hop even a little we are warned then kicked, regardless of who we are (SM or not). I just decided to post this idea again because I was just on tactical mod night, the squad I was in assualted a flag on Sougha Stalemate, not only were we killed by invisible C4 once, we were killed by another salvo, then just for kicks we were blown to pieces by a third cluster of C4 that had been tucked away inside the flag without us knowing. It was crazy.

    I understand that some TG players have grown accustom to using this tactic, and even forming squads devoted to C4 defense, but I just think it's an element of BF2 that we need to get rid of (I know this is one thing most pubbies kick for). I have no problem with C4 that a player can see, but C4 inside the flag is not TG.

    Please post your thoughts on the issue, and if there are any admins who would like to tell me whether kicking for this would be feasible plz PM me.
    Last edited by IRS_Agent; 05-29-2006 at 12:11 AM.
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    Re: I know i've done this before....

    I know I've answered this before.
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    Re: I know i've done this before....

    You make a good argument. What I want to know is why is the C4 invisible when you place it at the base of the flag? Is this just some kind of bug? If DICE could have fixed that part of it then I would have no problem whatsoever about C4 on the flag so long as you can see it and react accordingly. But when you have a whole squad roll up on a flag and get taken out by one invisible C4 pack then that's something that needs to be looked at. I mean c'mon in all honesty it is an exploit.
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    Re: I know i've done this before....

    Just have to be more careful. Dont put any medics on the flag, and have one guy raise the flag pole. If its not tacmod, then just dont cap standing next to the flag pole and make sure you check every corner for a C4 pack.

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    Re: I know i've done this before....

    I think it being invisible is an expliot that is used many times. I was playing during that map and also Karkand 2. They did use the C4. I did notice after it was first used the player/or squads who set up the C4 before then set it around the flag on spots you wouldnt conisder. Maybe if instead putting it on the flag base where it disappears it should be in a surrounding radius. Because if done like so will still cause damage to the squad or players caping the flag. For the surviving enemies they would be dazed and if done right you can rush in and take them out.


    Edit: Also its quite fun and funny to see your body and others fly in the air. I know I have a blast when I die or die with a group when we feel everything is alright. Its like on karkard 2. I put C4 on the boat. See a whole squad leave. Give them the benefit of the doubt they are going to make it then BOOM. I make dislike dying over again but its funny and memorable depending who it is. Like Santa and Robos pistols. Or when I take out Thez with my RPK like if it was a sniper.

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    Re: I know i've done this before....

    Most public servers seem to kick for using C4 to defend a flag AT ALL. Not just inside the flag base. I wouldnt support taking C4 defence of a flag away from TG as it is a crucial defence tool.

    You may have a point about it being annoying but even if the C4 is in plain view you are still going to get blown up by it when you try and take a flag arent you?



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