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07-04-2006, 01:50 AM #1
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Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
How to figure out if your an SL who leads by the chin?
1) Die first in any enemy engagement.
2) First on the enemy flag when it's still defended.
3) The flag your defending has turned white and you charge to get it back.
Yea, sometimes you have to do that, but most of the time when you "lead by the chin" your going to get knocked out and have to make that same long run over and over again.
1) In order to gain the most momentum on attack, it's best to have someone else take point on your way to the flag. Don't be the first one people shoot at and most importantly, know when to retreat a bit. Your most important duty is to give your people a chance to take the flag. Feel out the battle. If the enemy is following your squad mates back to you, circle and allow your newly spawning troops to set up to flank the enemy. Once you feel the momentum switch your way, tell your guys to GET ON THAT FLAG. Make sure your guys rekit appropriately as they come back in.
2) Don't be the first on the flag when it's still defended. Find a good overwatch spot, direct your players onto the flag and help them pick off the defenders as they collapse back in towards the flag. They will come out of their hiding spots to get that flag back in the air. Pick them off as they return. Your squad will then charge back in to reclaim the flag.
3) Your flag has just gone white and your the last defender left? Charge that flag, right? NO! Grenade the flag while retreating. Give your guys who were overwhelmed a second chance to take that flag back. It should be easy as the enemy is contained mostly within that radius. If it took your entire squad the first time, it will likely take your entire squad a second time to wrench that flag back.
I used to be an SL who led by the chin all the time. However, I smartened up and now follow these simple steps and stay alive much longer. It also makes it a lot more fun for my squad who doesn't have to worry about long unsuccessful runs into flags or getting swept off flags I am defending.
Agree, disagree, add on.
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07-04-2006, 02:04 AM #2
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
I'll agree with what you said Lucky. I have a real bad habit of leading with my chin as you put it. It's a hard habit to break as a SL. Sometimes the guys in my squad will remind me, "Bill why don't you stay back a little bit while we attack the flag" good to have a good squad to keep you straight sometimes.
I"m getting better at not doing those things but every once in awhile...LOL
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07-04-2006, 02:10 AM #3
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
1. Thats what medics are for.
2. The more people on the flag, the faster it changes.
3. No Comment
I agree with you that a SL will probably live longer by following these rules but... well everybody knows how I SL. Just not my cup of tea, I'm bloodthirsty.|TG-33rd|Dark_Viper
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07-04-2006, 02:18 AM #4
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
I hear ya Viper. Much of this came about from my CO'ing stint tonight on two different maps. I saw some squads who would get close to their objective and the first to die on the attack almost always was the SL. It didn't give their squad a second chance to rekit appropriately on attacks.
Originally Posted by Dark Viper
1. Thats what medics are for.
2. The more people on the flag, the faster it changes.
3. No Comment
I agree with you that a SL will probably live longer by following these rules but... well everybody knows how I SL. Just not my cup of tea, I'm bloodthirsty.
I also saw at one flag where the flag turned gray, the only guy who was left was the SL. He went charging right in and of course died. Had he waited for more friendlies, that squad probably would have taken that flag back. At one other time 2 squads tried to hit 1 flag, but even with overwhelming numbers, the defenders won out. In that case, the SL's fell early so the attack fizzled out quickly. I can spot all I want, drop supplies, Use the UAV and Arty, but it's still up to the SL's to get that flag and they can't do it when they're dead.
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07-04-2006, 02:29 AM #5
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
Agree big time. Good thread and sound tactics.
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07-04-2006, 02:32 AM #6
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
Yep. I still charge harder than I should, but I'm better at it than I used to be. We had some great assaults and defenses tonight on Great Wall where I sat removed from the action spotting everyone attacking, but on Karkand we stalled a couple times because I was in too early. Either way, it's good advice.
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07-04-2006, 03:12 AM #7
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
I've never led by the chin. This is evident since I rarely get revived. If I go down and don't get revived, most likely it's because our whole squad got run over. That is, I'm rarely the first one to die.
On offense I like to circle around a flag at a what I think is the minimum safe distance, giving my squad multiple chances to take the flag from different angles. I'll use whatever cover I can find; and I'll pick my shots carefully, not firing if I'm outnumbered without any backup.
On defense I like to roam around the perimeter, and I'll very rarely go into the flag radius unless I'm absolutely certain that the area is clear. If my squad is down and enemies are on the flag, I'll fall back, let my squad spawn on me and have them attack the flag. This is important since we still have a presence in the area even if they're able to take the flag. It gives us a chance to mount a counter offensive before they can organize a defense. I think I'm probably a better defensive squad leader.
In either case, I try never to stay still too long. But I don't charge in. I stay on the perimeter.
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
Great post, Lucky. This is my biggest headache whenever I CO; seeing a squad full of talentend individuals rush into a lightly defended flag and go down in a flash OR get overrun on defense and ask "where do we respawn?!?!". Both of these things happen occasional but if during every single engagement with the enemy the end result is failure it probably has to do with an overzealous SL trying to carry the squad on his shoulders and not keeping the overall picture in mind. Officers wear their rank on their necks and not their arms for a reason. Originally Posted by Lucky Shot
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07-04-2006, 07:05 AM #9
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
I just have to add something here. I've deduced that if my squad can't take a flag on the first assault, they probably won't take it after respawning on me. Reasoning is that the enemy is going to repawning all over the place (usually in my squad's blind spot) and start shooting my guys in the back or chuckin' nades all over the flag area. I pretty much only hide on flags where I know the opfor will repawn at (like Sharqi TV station they can only respawn courtyard or roof) or if I'm waiting by a vehicle spawn, so we can steal it after it pops to help with the capture.
I routinely do well with a squad of random people and the neutralize flag first, kill defenders later approach. I play to have fun, not to cater to my squad's reincarnation location.
I've found what works for me and everybody knows that joining my squad, whether good or bad, will never be boring. I always get people who seriously say, "DV stop dying so much!". I'm not trying to be rude here, but if you don't like how I SL, I'm not forcing you to stay in my squad now am I?
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07-04-2006, 07:49 AM #10
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
Originally Posted by sordavie
This in my opinion is an absolute key. Moving around the perimeter of a flag that you are assaulting not only gives your squad mates different angles of approach but also doesnt let the other team key on where your squad is coming from and thus hunt down the SL.
Ill get in a good spot have everyone spawn on me,send in my troops and while they are moving in on the flag im moving around the perimeter so when they spawn again im in a total other direction.
I guess some people have the gaming skill to lead by the chin and not die alot....i dont,so i always hang back when SL. To me the LEAST fun part about this game is the transporting around from one flag to another,with a SL that leads by the chin you will most likely be doing this ALOT.
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07-04-2006, 01:41 PM #11
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
This is why being a sniper SL isn't as bad as many make it out to be. Generally I'm already in a position that can overlook the flag and relay info to my SM's as they move off of me in order to maximize our assault.
Also, being somewhat removed from the flag it makes it easier to move around the perimeter to give my SM's better attacking angles while keeping overwatch of the entire area as the assault or defense develops...Long Live the 2nd BCT and 1st MIP
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
Tell me Bom - what do 4 AT rockets flying at you in unison look like? Originally Posted by Bommando
That's a great point, and probably best defines how I SL. Where I get into trouble is when I get in too close. The 1st MIP has caught me this way a few times recently, where a defender would be way off the flag and have me flanked as I got in to 'hide'. Originally Posted by Bommando
Another great practice is to serve as rotating spawn point. e.g. Approach from the South, let your squad assault as you flank west, then head north. If the first assault is unsuccessful, they respawn on you, then assault from the north, typically hitting the enemy in the back as they stack their defense south. Then neutralizing the flag and getting at least a couple guys down is relatively easy.
This is a great thread because it's making me actually think about SL strategies again. It's been a while since we've seen a SL tactics thread.
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07-04-2006, 03:37 PM #13
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
Lots of good SL's weighing in here. I'd say as a squad member, I favor Viper's approach (getting the flag white is the most important thing) since it's the most fun, but that requires a very active and aware squad. As a sometimes squad leader, especially in Tacmod where there are no commander assets, I prefer to find a well covered spot and let my squad move in while I stay back.
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07-04-2006, 04:22 PM #14
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Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
Very interesting thread. I happen to believe that chance and being in the right place at the right time has a little pull as well. Keep the strategies coming. Maybe one day I'll learn enough to be confident to lead a squad as effectively as some of the other posters in this thread.
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07-04-2006, 07:12 PM #15
Re: Suggestions for SL's who Lead with the Chin
Exactly right, in this critical moment your job as SL is to turn your one gun into six. Originally Posted by Lucky Shot
Think of it this way, its almost as if you were attacking a moment ago and you've got the flag neutral, but one or two of their defenders cleared the flag, if you were attacking in the first place you would want your sqaud to all spawn and go in together for the second wave attack, wouldn't you?
As for grenading the flag, I reckon this depends, the most important thing is to be the safe spawn point and grenading may give your position away.
Staying alive very close to the flag is the real key between OK and good SLing, I think. As a general rule of thumb I like to stay between a third and 2 thirds sprint away from the flag and I find the main way to do this is to first get in a close position that is out of sight off their spawn points, then after 2 waves spawn on me I relocate, then relocate after each wave spawns on me. Also, of course you need to be instructing your squad to get on the flag, and give that instruction repeatedly. Originally Posted by Bommando
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