Originally Posted by mat552

Until you got hit by a lat, hat, gnat, tank shell, apc shell, mine, small or large hill, body of water, .50 machine gun, light machine gun, grenade, slam, c4, etc.

Oh yea, if the Chinese are smart, getting trapped on the wrong side of the river by two blown up bridges and a mined up land bridge.

Surived a L-AT, wasn't pretty though; any more damage and the HMMWV's on fire. H-ATs are only good if I'm standing still, though I've seen some pretty good shots while moving. Believe it or not, I've surived a tank shell too. It's a bug with HMMWVs and I'm not sure if it'll be addressed; pretty rare though. APCs are the absolute worst, I hate them, the ability to continue firing while I'm making my get-away is not cool, good thing they die in one shot. Mines/C4 and 2nd to worst, I have trouble seeing them and I like to drive with my map up, especially when they're set like right outside the main.

Erm, I've yet to see a team with that much timing and dedication to "trap" a HMMWV across the river. Even then, it seems unlikely to simply trap it as opposed to having the chance to kill it.

Anyways, I always saw the powerful TOW of .8 as a compensation for completely removing Q-spot, which was the old way I used to get behind tanks so efficiently. In .85, I have no Q-spot and tanks can now survive a TOW shot to the front/side (not without taking significant damage though, even tracking it), it's going to be alot tougher to operate without a scout pilot to serve as your "Q-spot".