Originally Posted by cowmouflage

Hello, just for clarification, I was in the squand who were at PLA FOB on Qwai last night. It was actually my idea to go because I was confused as to what was the main base and last flag and thought it was a valid tactic to move there. However, when saber_tooth_tiger told us we were essentially base-rapping, I did tell my squad we should at least move out of sight and not engage. I was not the SL and nobody listened to me. But that could also have been because people on both sides were arguing the definition of base-rapping and if camping the last flag was allowed or not. As far as I know, ( I was the squad medic, I did not see or participate in all of the firefights.) we did not engage targets that weren't shooting at us until they were about halfway up the hill. I don't think we engage anything on the road going out of main. So, the rules were not clear on that, and people on both the chinease and USA team we'e telling us we could and couldn't be there, that's why we stayed. If what we did is considered base-rapping, I sincerly appologizes, and if I angered someone badly enough that they want me banned, I'll accept that. I take responsibilty for my actions, good or bad.

P.s. Sorry for any typos, my keyboard is sorta broken and sometimes misses letters.

I would disagree when you say that your squad "did not engage targets that weren't shooting at us until they were about halfway up the hill" as I was killed twice on the road while trying to tell you that you shouldn't be there. Also, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter if you're engaged or not... you can't fire on anyone in the main when it is not in play.

In your defense however, the flag was in play for a couple of minutes, and that's when I first noticed you there. That is not against the rules in any way. Your boys did finally leave the flag area, and it appeared that it had dwindled down to 1 or 2 people who just refused to leave. We helped them make that decision with a well-timed tank spawn.

I don't mean to drag this particular example out in a thread that is clearly designed for a different purpose, but this is a good example for an earlier question. This has a bit of a twist to it as the flag was actually in play for a few minutes.

At the time this was happening, we had no spawn available at the hill... where the flag radius is. I can't remember if we get one there and it was just destroyed or if there just isn't a spawn up there at all. In either case, if an enemy squad deploys a rally on that flag the chinese are forced to fight their way up the hill to engage the enemies just to defend their "main". Since it's a low traffic area, an enemy squad could fairly easily deploy a rally without engaging any enemies and then leave the area.

This, as far as I can tell... would not be against the rules. Once that flag was in play the squad could then use that rally to quickly capture the main. Maybe this is a situation where the chinese just need to make sure they don't lose both estate and temple. To me this is an example of "forward attacking" on the main even though the enemy does not engage contacts down at the asset spawn.

Personally, I would consider that base rape even though it doesn't actually hurt you until the flag is in play. As far as I can tell from previous posts in this thread there is no rule against this however. One could also say that it doesn't really matter at that point because if your team is pushed back into their main the game is almost over anyway.

Maybe I'm beating a dead horse here, but in order to defeat this tactic it would require a dedicated effort to clean up your "main" flag radius while also trying to defend a flag in play that is not your main... and if things are that bad I don't really see the team pulling off that kind of coordination without losing the flag in play. Especially if it's a "main flag" where you can't spawn into the radius.

.8 seems to have brought this out a bit more, and maybe it was by design. In "reality" you wouldn't leave your team's assets undefended... but you would also have a lot more people to work with.