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    Re: Covering Fire

    Suppression works best with distance I think, up close its all chaos and melee fighting which cant be accounted for


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zelenka View Post
    Covering Fire is useless in most situations, start blasting that SAW and you get a crosshair on your face within seconds, oops, there goes the automatic rifleman kit.

    What squads need to learn is the ability to deploy smoke cover, flanking precedures, the ability to attack from a different direction/vantage point.

    As a commande,r I noticed most squad leaders are completely useless when it comes to ground tactics and just use a linear, straight point approach heading directly towards amrker and gettign gunned down. Brains size of peanut. Sheesh.

    Suppressing fire, can be used by marksmen and sharpshooters (not snipers, snipers are completely USELESS at suppressing the enemy, will you ppl learn that basic fact?) a long distance away covering the other 4 members of the squad that are moving up under smoke cover. Tactics 101, yet many ppl fail to implement and use a marksman kit efficiently.
    I'd disagree... I actually witnessed it to great effect the other night in a squad led by dbzao. Two squads (our squad and another) storming west beach (Jabal Al-Burj), moving in from the west... suppressed the hell out of the enemy in the compound there as the squads took turns leapfroging in on the flag. What made it effective was that almost the entire squad was laying down supressing fire all at the same time... never ran through amo as fast as I did in that few minutes before... but it worked like a charm to suppress the hell out of the enemy so we could move in from a position where there was effectively no cover. One squad member laying down supressing fire against a whole squad, not so effective... but a whole squad laying down supression... try it some time. Like most things in PR... it's more fun with teamwork

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    Re: Covering Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zelenka View Post
    Covering Fire is useless in most situations, start blasting that SAW and you get a crosshair on your face within seconds, oops, there goes the automatic rifleman kit.

    What squads need to learn is the ability to deploy smoke cover, flanking precedures, the ability to attack from a different direction/vantage point.

    As a commande,r I noticed most squad leaders are completely useless when it comes to ground tactics and just use a linear, straight point approach heading directly towards amrker and gettign gunned down. Brains size of peanut. Sheesh.

    Suppressing fire, can be used by marksmen and sharpshooters (not snipers, snipers are completely USELESS at suppressing the enemy, will you ppl learn that basic fact?) a long distance away covering the other 4 members of the squad that are moving up under smoke cover. Tactics 101, yet many ppl fail to implement and use a marksman kit efficiently.
    If thats your oppinion fine by me, just dont get in my squad. because I hate running into smoke, and sometimes the only thing that works are strait line tactics, nothing fancy just get in there and hope you sq is good enough at covering eachothers asses...
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    Re: Covering Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zelenka View Post
    Covering Fire is useless in most situations, start blasting that SAW and you get a crosshair on your face within seconds, oops, there goes the automatic rifleman kit.

    What squads need to learn is the ability to deploy smoke cover, flanking precedures, the ability to attack from a different direction/vantage point.
    And effective suppressive fire.

    As with any of the other tactics, it requires teamwork, communication and a bit of training.
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    Re: Covering Fire

    i've never been in the medic course so i wouldn't know but i'd happily attend this covering fire class since i'm usually the one with the automatic rifleman kit anyhow.

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    canadian give me a pm if you need any help
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    Re: Covering Fire

    I think part of it is the lies about Ammo being "scarce" on the battlefield.
    *I dont want to waste ammo. Cause then I wont have any!*

    And some of the problem also comes from people not thinking it helps... and sometimes it doesnt (seeing as the suppression effect is FPS based... =/ )
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    Re: Covering Fire

    Ammo is plenty, especially in a well run squad. Alot of times, when I use suppression as a rifleman/officer...I find my 8 clips go by in about 2 minutes. But they are easily replinished.



    And I will probally need help, but I have to sort out a few more things until I get the ball rolling on it.




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    Re: Covering Fire

    A couple kits have limited ammo but most have tons now. I often reload if Ive only fired a few shots just to avoid those click click moments.
    That along with lots of other close combat stuff is a habit left over from playing CS tbh

    I take running low on ammo as a sign of quality play tbh because most people will die before they ever get to use it properly


    Quote Originally Posted by Katanama View Post
    If thats your oppinion fine by me, just dont get in my squad. because I hate running into smoke, and sometimes the only thing that works are strait line tactics, nothing fancy just get in there and hope you sq is good enough at covering eachothers asses...


    Throw grenades into smoke, it doesnt last so long that you should feel obliged to rush in blindly. Fire around the smoke and flank maybe, they will avoid it also
    Last edited by Sabre_Tooth_Tigger; 06-08-2008 at 08:51 PM.


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    I find smoke most useful when (either attacking or breaking contact) people remember to deploy smoke and dummy smoke. For example, you are assaulting a flag from south so you get your grenadier to deploy smoke just south of the objective and maybe east or southeast as well. I often see people just smoke in front of them and then charge on through like good old WWI and wonder why they get cut down.

    If you deploy concentrated smoke in two avenues of attack it confuses the defenders. I prefer it to just a massive pall of smoke all over the flag which obscures everyones vision and makes it lucky dip time when it gets close up. Cough, cough, can't see, is that friend or foe oh well OPEN FIRE! Sorry man, sorry man!

    If you have the smoke in designated areas you can skirt the edges of the smoke as you know the boundaries of the smoke areas as it were. You can emerge from the smoke at a time of your choosing, you then have control over when you have optimum visibility putting you hopefully in a position to shoot first.

    In an ideal world I would have a marksman flanking slowly at an elevated angle to provide accurate fire on the defenders, ensuring any fixed gun empacements are neutralized and high priority targets are dealt with, i.e. SAW gunner. In addition a grenadier as a second covering man is always good or SAW gunner depending on preference, squad load out etc.

    As a defender I find its often the best when under a smoke assault to simply fall back off the flag to a position where you have clear visibility after getting a few suppressive shots of your own. You then surge back on to the flag just as the smoke on flag clears. Think of it like a tide where your starting point is the flag. Often the attackers are refitting ammo/healing and simply patting themselves on the back, giving it "look at that we are so badass we chased them off the flag, those lily livered chickens". If you can time this right with the clearing of the smoke it is absolutely devastating and hilarious, often they will not have even greyed the flag before you wiped them out.

    I've done this a few times on Bi-Ming and similar maps where the assaulters are at an advantage as they can attack from almost 360 degrees of cover. In that situation think of the flag like bait in a kill zone. Why sit rooted to the flag shooting at shadows darting between the trees. Give them a clean run at the flag, get em out in the open. You can control where they will come from to an extent by setting up squads to funnel them on to the flag, most things travel the path of least resistance. You need fire discipline to ensure you get as many opfor into the killzone as possible before you 'start the music' but if you get it to work it's beautiful.

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    Re: Covering Fire

    To all of those who doubt that suppressive fire isn't effective....


    Today, on Kashan 16 I joined in about halfway through the round as U.S. and started a squad. We defended the bunker complex and held it (supported by other infantry) until the rest of the team had taken South Village. Once this happened, Charity gave us the order to attack MEC Outpost, along with 2 other infantry squads. We grabbed a support truck and set up on a ridge that was about 100 meters south of the flag (another squad headed north, and the other squad went for the flag I believe)...where we discovered we had a vantage point on a firebase. We set up a rally point, dropped an ammo crate, and proceeded with operations.

    I ordered all my guys to put covering fire...full auto or burst as fast as they could since we had plenty of ammo (marksman, support gunner, and two riflemen...along with that crate we had set down about 4 feet behind the ridge) while me and my engineer (Katanama if memory doesn't betray me) moved in to take out the firebase. Eventually it went down...but after the match I talked to a few of the squads that were also moving in on the firebase and asked them if our suppressive fire was effective and everybody commended it. We had four guys suppressing about 10 or 11...if not more. Squads advancing on the firebase (with sandbags built up all around) said the only fire they were taking was from an enemy marksman. The enemy team in the fortified area were pinned down and didn't fire a shot at them.




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    Re: Covering Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by A.WICKENS View Post
    I find smoke most useful when (either attacking or breaking contact) people remember to deploy smoke and dummy smoke. For example, you are assaulting a flag from south so you get your grenadier to deploy smoke just south of the objective and maybe east or southeast as well. I often see people just smoke in front of them and then charge on through like good old WWI and wonder why they get cut down.
    I love using smoke to fool the enemy. As SL I'll pop my green smoke well away from the attack because that draws the enemy in because as we all know the SL is a juicy target.

    I also use smoke to disrupt the enemy, while you do lose your own visibility you also force the enemy to reposition which evens the playing field. As far as supression goes, it only works if EVERYONE or at least 80% of the squad is supressing. The one SAW gunner scenario presented is an epic fail for two reasons.

    1) if you're the onyl one supressing you can't cover a large enough area to keep enough heads down.

    2) supression has to go hand in hand with flanking. Keeping heads down is great, but once they're down you lose situational awareness IE: are they moving to flank or laying there in terror?

    I avoid depending on supressing fire when im an SL only because I like to stay mobile, keep the enemy fighting on my terms. Drawn out firefights usually have the predictable end of the dug in defenders being beat. But that's all situational.

    With the new blur effects it's just prudent to keep spraying down the corner of the building where that engineer stuck his head out or that small rise you thought you saw the sniper, just make sure you send someone to check it out while you're throwing tax payer money at the situation

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    Re: Covering Fire

    I am interested in this. I would help teach the covering fire, which although i am a noob i feel i have a very good understanding of. If you anyone wants to get together and discuss our opinions on the cover fire i would be more then interested at this point.

    P.s Hit me up with a message because i would like to discuss in VOIP, teamspeak or something.

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    Covering fire is great, cept the fact you'll get squad members who don't want to do it when you're asking for it.

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