Thanks for the input Tigger. Again, you give out the tech stuff to help find a reasonable and factual solution.

I agree with all your points, especially on the 'Hills', rape fest indeed and needs to be changed in that area. Fog sounds good but then everyone moaned about that sandstorm map, which I thought was also a map with ptential - at least it had lots of elements to make a great gamelay map.. but no.. gone). In a competition I was to be Chinese 2IC, imagine our faces when that map came up as we knew what would happen if some Brit unit got through our line: 'bye bye spawn' hello smaktard.

On this map though. Though because I can't fly helis anymore, I am usually a grunt on the ground because I can't be bothered with the bickering on tanks etc blah. A few more jeeps would be good for me to skid around on (yeah, me me me).

Though I have to admit more teamwork is needed for this map, and that is one reason why it has amazing potential because there is not much atm on this map.

Tanks being like uber-awesome glutton monsters aside, when faced against a normal infantry unit (yeah C4/LAT don't work as we know and a tank vs infantry would be like that, and yeah, other tanks/helis.. could be called in) and calling in the helis, I do think it's lag as the main culprit, and then a few minor tweeks, to make this map reach its evident potential, which are are discussing too, and I thank you for it.

For me. Well. I got an 'ok' Nvidia. Nothing special, a 7600GS. Not that that counts for much if as u say, other factors are involved. Still, I tend to play low setting to increase processor speed. Maybe it's my provider (Virgin atm :/ maybe where I am, i.e linespeed. Maybe it's because atm I use wireless until I am rigged up properly). A pentium 4 is nothing nowadays, apparently, who knows, I'm no tech.

But there are many Mohommed's out there having to go to the mountain. Surely, this means some technical expertise as you have, should sit down and make the map more practicable and reach this potential (or I go get a Nividia 8600GS and/or buy some sweets for a heli or tank).

It is a map with good potential, and it is a good alternative to all maps (especially Kashan I gues due to its size - but then again what about the small maps? Again it sems to be skewd). Then again, the developers got rid of some great maps in the past and that at the end of the day, is what we are stuck with.

Unless people such as your good self can make this map reach its potential or developers listen and re-add some old maps, or let us long grass in your face noobs face some, long range or close up in grass, it is all going to be skewd. This map is good because it is wide, rolling grassland. It's a damned good map. But, I think balance is what's needed, that and people such as tech minded or gameplay minded should sit down and push out these existing maps with potential. New maps based on the gameplay of those that were good in the past and why, and adding some of these old maps back aswell or try something based on them, is also what is needed. What is not needed is skewd values, such as I mentioned in the findings people may have for this very poll (e.g 'yes' is now at 36 where the 'no' or only if there are sweets make up the rest, but you wouldnt read the bars like that if you wanted it to stay and thus to be a 'yes' man - you would just read the mighty and largest 'yes' vote).

Sometimes I think you guys must think I'm a rebel or trouble. Not really.

Again, thanks Tigger for the insights, I hope you come up with more.