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    Re: Tags...

    But why isnt there a change, when i first joined this server i was banned straight away for using hat as a last resort against a full inf squad...

    I was mad offcourse, and i thought it was a silly rule. Back then i played on european server witch more or less looked like vanilla.

    But one part of me that day realized that there is so much more to get from pr than european servers. So i applied my ban and it went through, i started playing and fell in love. I thought tg was the best thing that has ever happen to me, gamerwise (it cant compete to housemusic ; ) So i played alot for a couple of weeks and realized that they dont get payed for this kind of service. So i started subscribing or paying for the server, because i like it alot.

    But lately, i have thought about aborting the subscrining because nowdays tactical gamer server is a mess, a complete mess its not like it was before (as in 1-2 months ago).


    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatnardini View Post
    If you have seen TG-tagged members sitting at someone's main blatantly base camping with an APC then why the heck didn't you report them to anyone? It seems to me that you are just as guilty in allowing these people to get away with this as anyone else.
    I dont know why you are assuming i didnt do that when i saw that happen.

    I rarely report pepole on the server for a simple reason, if everyone was to report every rulebreaker down to teamswitchers the admins would have been overwhelmed with reports all the time. I respect your work, reporting everything i see will just piss you off. so i save the reports for those times when its really needed.

    Maybe ill stop playing untill the schools begins again, but it feels like its not only the younger players that forms this server to what it is today.

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    Re: Tags...

    The admins can not police the server 24/7, so the best way to help clean out the server is to screenshot someone breaking the rules and report them to an admin via PM. I understand the play on the server has been a bit down lately, it will hopefully pick up soon, especially with the 0.8 patch coming soon.

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    Re: Tags...

    Quote Originally Posted by kevlarorc View Post
    It's an issue that is brought up day after day on the forums. The majority of TG'ers that are regularly on the forums and making/replying to posts follow the rules and try their best to set a good example.
    Hammer, meet the head of the nail.

    Personally, I agree with what the OP said, but I think it's likely you're preaching to the choir. I've only been back into BF2 a little while, but the vast majority of the tagged folks (I attempt to get into squads with IHS or a tagged player to edumacate myself on this whole PR thing) have been example setters. I've only had one bad experience so far, with a tagged guy (no names). I listened to him basically chew someone out for over 4 minutes because the poor guy made a mistake. A mistake I could have easily made. The butt chewing continued despite profuse apologies until the squad got over their collective shock and reminded the SL it was, after all, a game. He WAS a good SL though, he just lost his temper. Nevertheless, it was uncalled for and might have even drove the poor guy away from the server, because he was new like me. It basically made the rest of the round tense and not fun.

    Sure enough, I checked the SL's profile, and he had a grand total of 2 posts...... For all I know he lurks here and reads the forums hourly, but probably not.

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    Re: Tags...

    Quote Originally Posted by Drakenberg View Post
    Why i started it was because i think pepole need to think. Lately i´ve seen alot of bad behaviour related to tags, and i dont want that. I cant make a change really but atleast i tried.
    No...you may have seen bad behavior *regardless* of tags.

    Really, if you see something, say something. This is a community and we all need to take part in maintaining the quality of play.
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    Angry Re: Tags...

    Christ, am I really going to have to do this yet again?

    Ok kids, listen up. I posted a rant in the IHS forums. The same thing applies to anyone wearing the TG tags. Pay special attention to the end of the rant. I mean exactly what I say and it doesnt just apply to IHS members, but also regulars and tag wearers. I frequently go undercover on the server. I have a LOT of BF2 aliases, so your chances of recognizing me are slim to none. But God help you if I catch you doing something when you think nobody is watching.

    Read up and absorb what I said.

    (NOTE: Post edited from original content so as not to offend anyone's sensibilities)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller
    Let's all think about what it means to wear the TG tags.

    First, we all know that TG is the premiere gaming community on the internet. There is no place better for mature, teamwork oriented gamers, bar none. By simply being a part of this community, you have set yourselves to a higher standard. Wearing the tags puts you a step beyond that, a step above.

    You are one of the elite few, the best of the best. Your participation, your attitude, and your ability to rise above the temptation of the ability to act juvenile due to the anonymity of the internet has secured you a place in the ranks of the "Top Gun" of gamers. For some people, this is out of a commitment to excellence, a drive to create the best possible place for gamers of all nationalities and skill levels; to foster an environment of learning, of respect, of maturity, of teamplay and camaraderie. For others, wearing the tags seems to have become a status symbol, something that they can flaunt and brag about.

    Therein lies the negative.

    Pride is acceptable and warranted. If you can respectably wear the tags, you have every right to be proud. You've proven your mettle amongst the best there are. But if your purpose in putting on the TG tags can be compared to a bright shiny medal that you can show off to your friends, you've missed the point.

    The purpose of having tags is what I described previously. We are the best, we are the elite, and with that we shoulder the responsibility above and beyond any other gamers on the internet to set the example. We are the leaders. We are the minds behind the advancement of TG. We are the ones that keep the ball rolling, bring fresh and new ideas to the table, teach the new faces, clean up the trash and maintain the standard for which everyone should strive. If you cannot adhere to that goal, you need to re-examine your place.

    That being said, we have reached a critical juncture on the Project Reality server. We are hosting the #1 ranked project reality server in the world. It is also the #2 ranked battlefield 2 server in the world, beating out all the other 24/7 infantry only ff-off instant spawn servers out there. We've brought it to that level through hard work and dedication, but that dedication is slipping.

    Our admin staff does a marvelous job. They are frequently shorthanded and spend large amounts of their gaming time policing the server. As admins, they do this freely, having accepted the fact that they are going to have to miss out on some gameplay to keep the server clean, and we all salute them for that. I know for a fact that Dirtboy has certain keywords on the server set to trigger an alarm on his computer so he can come assist with problems even if he is asleep! That, my friends, is dedication. However, they cannot do this alone and our assistance is now required more than ever.

    I have seen a decline in the level of maturity amongst tagged members on the server. Maturity isnt just applying to not acting like a smacktard. As tagged members, we MUST take this to the next level.

    We have basically let the language and respect rules slide. I have seen an unacceptable level of swearing and name calling on the server. This is completely intolerable. Chat and comms need to be clear of foul language, name calling and inappropriate subject matter. There is a time and a place for you to shoot the bull with friends and it is your responsibility to know when and where that is. If you cant do that, feel free to consult the admin staff about it and I'm sure they can give you proper instruction. Your fellow gamers are to be respected regardless of what they've done. We are not to call people noobs, idiots, retards, or anything of the like, no matter what they've done to "deserve" that kind of disrespect. This doesnt just apply to tagged members, but to everyone. If you see someone violating those rules, your job is to politely correct them of their transgression and/or report them if necessary.

    In recent weeks, I have seen tagged members grouping up and forming squads exclusive to tagged members or members of In-House Squads. The random players that join the server, as well as many non-tagged regulars are being ignored and pushed aside. On occasion, this is acceptable. Everyone has the right to play with their friends. However, it's not acceptable all the time. We are leaders, and as such, we need to open ourselves up to teaching the masses. This means that we need to spread ourselves out, preform larger duties of squad leading and commanding. Set your squads to have new people join up. Teach them how we do business, make strong, mature gamers out of them. There was a time when each and every one of you was new and someone showed you the "TG way" of doing things. That practice has all but come to a standstill. We are negligent if we continue this inaction.

    I have also seen teams being stacked with tagged members. This isnt always a guaranteed win, but it gives the impression that we are being "elitist", refusing to play with anyone but our own. I have seen teams being numerically out of balance for long periods of time and very few people doing anything to correct it. These practices need to cease. If you join and all of your friends are on the other team, pick up the torch and lead a squad on the team you're on. Chances are that if the entire team is devoid of TG players or recognizable regulars in squad leading positions, they have no leadership, no cohesion. Take up the torch and lead. If you check the scoreboard and you see that one team has a player deficit, switch sides to even it up! Nobody is going to give you grief for doing the right thing.

    We have to fight giving a bad impression. It might not be fun at times, but it's what we have to do.

    The final word goes to assets. Assets are the server-killer. Everyone loves to hoarde them. Everyone loves to fly and tank. Thats fine from time to time. But we need to give other people access to them. In the past two weeks I have seen an almost excessive hoarding of assets by TG members, the vast majority of whom are IHS members. That needs to come to an end. Make a push to start playing infantry more and giving others a chance to flex their vehicular muscle. We may find other great tankers and pilots out there.

    We have a responsibility, Ladies and Gentlemen. It is a great task which we all accepted when we put on TG tags, whether we realized it or not. Our charge is to be the top dogs, not in skill, but in value.

    I expect nothing less of anyone wearing TG tags and I will hold to that. Believe that if you dont heed the call of excellent leadership and responsibility on the server, you will be hearing from me. I may not be an admin, you may not like or respect me, but you will be notified if you fail to live up to the standard.

    The time for a paradigm shift is now. It is time for each of us to look inward and find the leader we know to be there and show everyone else how it is really done. Dont just be feared and held in high regard for your skill, be respected for your merit as a leader of the community. We have a job to do, let's go do it.
    If anyone has a problem with any of that, well, pack sand. There is no reasonable way that anyone who wears TG tags can disagree with setting a higher standard. As such, we dont need lists of what it means to wear the tags. We have a stickied post regarding that. If you dont know what it means to wear the tags, you shouldnt have them on until you learn.

    oldirti is right, we're not perfect, but if you choose to put on the tags, I damn well expect you to try to be. Perfection is an impossibility, but it is also a goal, one for which we all must strive, not in skill, but in our manner.

    Bottom line, if thats too hard for you, remove your tags.

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    Re: Tags...

    Drakenburg... as a supporting member you have access to the Battlefield Recorder Files, you should make use of this and get either SS's or WEGAME footage of the offender and then Contact an Admin with the incriminating evidence. Admins dont see everything and will review whatever infractions are brought to their attention.

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    Re: Tags...

    I actually found myself following he rules even more carefully after adding the TG tag because of ideals behind it. Teamwork, cooperation, and realism are ideas represented by the tag, and I try to uphold those ideals to the max.

    Also I greatly appreciate the TG community for providing a mature yet fun server to play on. Plus being an open community requires a lot of trust in the the community at large. I have seen open communities that completely disregard their rules and blatantly let their "members" do whatever they want.

    I have been banned from 2142 servers merely because I actively hunted the admins for their squad. Once I collected the head admin's tag, insta-ban. I also got reported for somehow trying to unfairly boost my stats.

    THings like this make me greatly appreciate groups like TG that provide an open mature community to play with. There probably are some bad apples but the system, I feel, is comfortable enough to tell an admin and have something done. TG has a great admin team that is willing to work with you. All you have to do is ask.
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    Re: Tags...

    well said Bueller. may i add one thing? i think the TG tags should mean zero tolerance. in other words...you have read the rules, and added the tags. this means you are held to a higher standard. if you break a rule, it should mean kick/ban and removal of tags.

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    Re: Tags...

    I think threads like this remind us that infact most of us are on the same side. It was not helpful to say 'this has been on before; booring; or, why don't you do something' beause this is what the thread starter lucidly pointed out to be one issue of why it falls through, including reasons to show 'temperament', 'balanced view', and 'judgement'.

    The key word here is 'fear'. Groups punishing the little one reminds me of that classic book 'Lord of the Flies'.

    However, comments made in this thread again show how much really people are on the same side and have the same view. Even I have to say hats off to Dirtboy for what he does, Ferris for demonstrating the 'behind the scenes' of forums we may not read and the objectivity at hand of that great post, that Drakenberg couragously went up against, including the group 'sigh', built on an 'allusion of fear', to make a positive difference.

    It would do well, and does me well, to remind ourself (and myself) that actually, in the sighing of finding the balance between the furory of points of view like the 'why don't you' (which was a rubbish 70's kids programme btw - thank Henderson for Sesamme Street ), many of us sing from the.. erm.. same hymn sheet (hmm). It helps when 'TG regulars, or those 'in house' actually provide information to the regulars to suggest it, as has been done here. As for the Admins, I am amazed at their objectivity aswell. You can argue a point, butt hey for sure show a higher standing. Those regulars TG or not, also come oout the woodwork to support tacticalgamer with the view of such things as balance and 'being a bunch of guys/girls that act decently and are thoughtful of the other in a humane way'.

    Hats off to you Drakenberg, I for one am one your side. You need a noob infantryman in your squad, I'm your man ^^ I can snarl, hoot, wargle and do various mistakes (like drop my squad off infront of a tank - whoooooooooooops) or masive uberfantisticskilzor moves. Depends.

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    Re: Tags...

    Well to be honest I dont wear a tag for several reasons. One of them is that I think most peole start acting like smacktards when they get them on (most TG'ers excluded).

    Now sometimes I think people take things a bit too seriusly but yeah a certain dedication is needed from the regulars and the admin team to keep the server in shape. I try to do my part by teaching new players and trying to explain the rules and how the game work. But I dont really police the server to find the guy that did something because usually I dont have the time (I prefer spending my time playing, than looking at BFR). And in the recent months the level of gameplay have decriced

    I personally have a list in my head of people that i like to have in my squad and people that i dont, and so far none of the tagged players that came from the clans/groups that i dont like have proved me wrong so and in my oppinion 1 or 2 bad players in a squad can just ruin my day as a SL. I do not judge a player by his K/D but on how he interacts with the squad, if he dont give out any reports of enemies and dont comunicate with me hes not a good squadmember, i dont care if he cant hit for **** that can be compensated for by the SL changing tactics.

    And about the teamstacking yes it was a problem a couple of wek ago but its doesnt happen anymore so maybe the post that was made back then had an effect afterall even thou people were just flaming the guy who made it, I cant remember who did it but props to you.
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    Re: Tags...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redd_Wiggler View Post
    well said Bueller. may i add one thing? i think the TG tags should mean zero tolerance. in other words...you have read the rules, and added the tags. this means you are held to a higher standard. if you break a rule, it should mean kick/ban and removal of tags.
    Exactly. If I get caught blatantly breaking the TG Server rules wearing the tag, I expect to get hammered by the Admins.



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    Re: Tags... (one thread to rule them all)

    Quote Originally Posted by Drakenberg View Post
    ...Wont make others think you are a better player
    I dont agree with that.
    I see alot of people complaining about "teamstacking" sometimes.
    And what does that meen? Peaople DO think that tag wearing players are better.

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    Re: Tags...

    did you know that the server runs a script and gives anyone with [TG] tags +5 run speed?
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    Re: Tags...

    Quote Originally Posted by w.WAREHOUSE View Post
    did you know that the server runs a script and gives anyone with [TG] tags +5 run speed?
    Isn't that common knowledge?




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    Re: Tags...

    Yeah, it's called Spirit of eGoat.
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