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Discussion: Project Reality / PR:BF2 - Second Server? - I think it's an awesome idea. It would be a good thing as you could
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08-11-2008, 11:03 AM #46
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I think it's an awesome idea. It would be a good thing as you could always use a change in PR gameplay when you get sick of the regular AAS maps.
The only thing that worries me is if both servers won't keep at around half population, as I hate playing PR on 64 maps with 30 players on the server. However, TG has been so popular lately that I think this will not happen.
I am favor to it
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08-11-2008, 11:15 AM #47
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Re: Second Server?
Seems like a great opportunity to spread the TG Way to a new audience, with a few challenges. After getting schooled a few times by some organized opponents, people brought in the by the "INS Here" sign may wonder what TG's all about, and join the philosophy.
Perhaps if the INS server is set up with "support" similar to the way things were a little while ago with the regular server, that might help keep things on the right path. For instance, having PW nights on the new INS server, and some training modules specific to INS could go a long way. Trouble there is, it could dilute TG's efforts (as these things take able and interested people), especially with some people being more interested in the new AAS maps, and others in INS, etc. You and others are in a better position to gauge that.
As for me, I'd probably stick to the regular server mostly, and check out the INS once in a while, as I don't "get out" much.
I think in the long run it would grow the community, but there will be an adjustment period with some suffering.
Tough call, but I think either way the TG community will be OK.
What about a trial 2nd server, with INS maps on specific days of the week, and some other format the rest of the week?
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08-11-2008, 12:49 PM #48
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Aww why?
Originally Posted by d1sp0sabl3H3r0
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08-11-2008, 01:14 PM #49
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1) We need twice as many admins as we currently have, at least. Originally Posted by Eavy Gunner
2) We would be doubling the current monthly expenses (server rental and maintenance fees, bandwidth usage charges) but without necessarily doubling the income. This is deficit spending and will result in cuts having to be made to meet the monthly revenue, which means that something has to give.
3) Reduction of incentive to get a supporting membership at TG because we've now added 62 more slots to play PR at TG. If you can now play PR at TG whenever you want, where is the need to get the SM? This keeps revenue at it's current level and probably will reduce it, as those that pay just to get a reserved slot may let their SM lapse as they no longer need it to get on the server.
So, in short, we don't have the manpower to make it a TG server, and it would be a poor financial decision.
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08-11-2008, 01:40 PM #50
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All perfectly valuable points, but it does sound a bit unfair towards the players. It sounds like you want to keep the server excessively full like it is now 99% of the time and will definitely be 100% of the time with the release of 0.8. I have no idea how the finances are but I 'm pretty sure a lot of people bought a SM just for PR. As far as I remember, we never had a PR scrim where only the SM 's got to play and the upcoming one barely gives non-SM 's a spot on the reserve list... Originally Posted by d1sp0sabl3H3r0
Just out of curiosity, does BF2142 have 62 SM 's?
True, but do you really want a private slot to be the main reason for people to buy a SM? Originally Posted by d1sp0sabl3H3r0
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08-11-2008, 02:18 PM #51
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Well, as I mentioned, if we spend more than we bring in, something has to give. The first thing to go would probably be the second PR server unless you can justify taking away one of the other servers, such as 2142, PoE, TF2, COD4, etc. Those are all full as well, so how unfair would that be? Originally Posted by Ghost Dog
Yes, I think the idea is to have the server populated at capacity all the time, isn't it? Originally Posted by Ghost Dog
My concern with the new server, in addition to any financial impact, is can we provide the same level of experience on the new server as we have now? Fact is we're pretty short-handed on admins now with just 1 server, so adding a second server is going to make things very difficult on the current admin staff, and finding reliable admins is difficult at best currently. Why add a second server and as a result degrade the level of play and coverage on both? Wouldn't mixing insurgency with conquest on the current server, when .8 is released, work just as well without adding additional cost and the need for admins (which we are having a hard time finding)?
I would say that the reserve slot is the primary reason people get supporting memberships. The reasoning probably changes over time, but I can think of several people who have done this, some of which are no longer a part of the community. If we were to ask people why they got a SM and what they view the primary benefit is, I would say that well over half would say that the reserve slot is the main benefit and their reason for getting the SM. Originally Posted by Ghost Dog
See above... Originally Posted by Ghost Dog
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There is a lot more that goes into making a decision like this than just the "how cool would that be?!?!" factor. Not saying that your opinions on the matter aren't important or that they aren't being listened to, but I think that this is a much larger decision with more variables involved than just the thought of having a second PR server so we can run insurgency 24/7/365.
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08-11-2008, 02:18 PM #52
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I would let v0.8 come out, and play with the one server for a couple weeks, and see how all the new maps play out, as well as seeing al basrah without crashes etc etc.
Al Basrah is like a brand new map to TG, cause its never usually played, and would be played alot different at TG than at BattleArena.
I think a 2nd server would be awesome, i donno whether you would need to split up the game modes though
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08-11-2008, 02:58 PM #53
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bad idea.
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08-11-2008, 03:40 PM #54
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It won't hurt to try. The FH2 server is sitting there doing nothing so put it to good use.
I have stopped enjoying PR for various reasons in the recent releases but I played on an Insurgent map recently and it was the most fun I have had in PR in a very long time. It has far more immersion in it than regular AAS blandness that I have never liked. AAS is far too constricting and I only play if I know Biggayal is going to be running some sort of specialty squad. This would probably bring me back to PR.
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08-11-2008, 03:47 PM #55
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I think this is at least worth a try. If any of the THEORIZED problems turn up then maybe we need to rethink it. However, I hate it when people refuse to give things like this a try.
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08-11-2008, 04:50 PM #56
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My ideas for a second server/SM problems were shot down by many because it would stretch money/players/admins.
Bleh.
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08-11-2008, 05:12 PM #57
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2nd what Fuzz says. Let .8 release and get a few rounds of Korengal in then see what the players have to say. I for one am looking forward to that map on a loaded server with great interest.
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08-11-2008, 05:28 PM #58
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Re: Second Server?
would it have to be monitored since it crashes a lot?
What about making a 24/7 Kashan server no rules so all the people who really don't like to function as a teamplayer/ only enjoy taking/flying sniping etc........can use that to get their jollies off, i bet it would be filled a lot....ha (this post was sarcastic though i know some people might agree and it might let those who don't wish to contribute to get their fix)Randy = Ace ! - Warlab
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08-11-2008, 05:31 PM #59
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I agree with what Fuzzhead said. I also agree with what Disposable said as well. If we will not have good admin coverage on both servers then stick with just the one. I do not want to lose admins due to burn out of covering two servers, or worse have tons of smacktards running around with no admin.
Do I like the idea? Hell ya
Would I seed the server? I'm not sure. I have not played much INS.
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08-11-2008, 05:39 PM #60
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Im all for the sever, as long as any and all potential problems are solved. There is no point in having it if it is more work then it is worth. If this shows up as a problem then why waste the effort to not be successful? I know thats kinda of a pessimistic view, but what other is there?
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