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11-11-2008, 11:24 PM #76

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Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
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11-11-2008, 11:27 PM #77
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it


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11-12-2008, 09:09 AM #78
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
About yesterday's games. I played a quite a few and by and large I thought the games quite even. I was on the allegedly stacked team at one point and the non stacked team at another. The stacked team did get beat if I remember correctly and some of the games lasted hours, hardly indicative of an imbalance. Seriously what is the deal with tagged players, sadly (in my opinion) absolutely anyone is allowed to wear the TG tag and a great deal of players who have adopted the tag have done so for the wrong reasons. Not because they are team players or believe in disciplined, coordinated play but because they think it entitles them to something. Please don't bleat teamstacking when you see a lot of Tags, quite often the tag doesn't count for much. It is just a petty, small minded excuse for players who aren't prepared to try and organise themselves or take any responsibility. Some of the best players on our server are regulars that dont wear a tag or belong to an IHS.
About IHS squads, what gives any of you the right to tell IHS players who they can and can't play with. A lot of IHS players run open squads round after round, giving other players leadership and for some of them just a place to spawn and get the next kit they want. We listen to back seat sl's round after round, try to run disciplined squads yet can't get the equipment we need because other undisciplined sqauds have gobbled up the kits. We try to help new players and set a good example on the server. We set up learning events and offer help to any player that requests it. We try to help the smooth running of the server by assisting the admin team where we can with behaviour and rule infringements. All members of IHS's with the exception of the Irregulars are supporting members and a large proportion of them are too.
Yes now and again we like to play a round or two with our IHS teammates. Why shouldn't we, a lot of non IHS player do the same. Playing round after round with the same players, taking the same kits, vehicles assets and not always helping the team I might add.
I am not asking anyone I am telling them, take a long hard look at the server and the players on it and think about who you are criticising when you snipe at IHS players, a lot of them are the backbone of our community, doing admin work and supporting the community in ways that many of their critics don't even understand. The breathtaking short-sightedness of this type of critcism beggars belief in my opinion, I am sick to death of it.
Oh and I have been in many supposedly stacked teams that have been epic fails. Sometimes the only reason IHS heavy 'stacked' teams do well is because they play as a team, doing the little things that need doing to ensure victory, supporting each other instead of forming a 15 player queue at the helo spawn point or bitching back and forth in all chat about who took what asset.
Ask yourself why do you need IHS players on your team if you are the supposedly 'weaker' team. We are not on the server to act as baby sitters every round, like a sort of in game admin to share out the toys and get you playing like a team whilst simultaneously being derided in the forums.
Sort yourselves out, man up and get organised.
Remember anyone can put the TG tags on as long as they have read and understood the primer. However if you play regularly you will know that not everyone that adopts the tag has and it certainly doesn't necessarily mean they are uber leet whatever that means.
As to the PR community, not sure what this means either, lets assume this refers to other PR servers, I could care less what they think. Have you played on those servers, do you really care about the opinion held by players on half empty servers that allow base raping and other unrealistic play. The opinions of players that have come to TG and couldn't handle the rules, the standards expected, the team play ethic required and quite possibly either been soundly outplayed or kicked/banned. I don't, at all. WE ARE THE NUMBER 1 PR SERVER FOR A REASON. When you are at the top your competitors will always try to cut you down. We are at the top of our game because of our set up and the fact that we always strive to maintain our standards. IHS play a small part in that, something people would do well to remember.TG PR Admins: Fighting for YOU on the frontlines in the War on Stupidity.
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11-13-2008, 12:42 PM #79
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
Shouldn't we lock this thread too?
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11-13-2008, 01:20 PM #80
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
I remember in the bf2 demo way back we did literally often have more on one team then other. It would be like 30 people one team and 10 on the other. For some reason autobalance was often not enabled back then.
Going on the smaller team was good practice to improve your game and it had the plus side of having more vehicles available so of course I went the smaller team and took the heli.
Fighting the odds and succeeding anyway is great reinforcement for what works and what doesnt, you know its all down to you.
If you are on a strong team, you are just following gravity and even finding a decent fight can become a chore as you mostly just walk everywhere - hence how teams get careless, abandon flags, etc
If the team has no decent squads, play engineer, take the engineer car which has its own ammo and go plant mines on a choke point like the tunnel on OGT
Main thing I would stress with a difficult game is try something different. Use the flanks on ejod when leaving the HQ, not via gas station. Take the BDRM into the water on fools road and snipe the bridge.
Not sure any of that works but it beats just dying all the time and its more interesting then winning easily, to me anyway
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11-13-2008, 07:57 PM #81
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
Like what you said there Tigger about trying something different. Also liked the positive aproach done by Wickens.
It's late, just finsihed work. Below are some thoughts via a newly taged TG and what was the philosophy about it and the malaise that the thread refers to.
I believe this is what we can learn from eachother (group hugs), another point of view, enabling us to try another perspective, or finding another way of looking at issues.
I am continually astounded by the balanced attitude of the admins here (no this is not a brown nose, it's a fact) because they take a holistic and mature view; not siding with anyone but generally making astute and acurate decisions (one example was the offer by Disposable to reset server over the recent current debate of stacked teams - which the 'unstacked' team in question did not want, in fact -when people from both 'sides' met in a clash of distemper for whatever reason. I will not say more on the subject).
Maybe you have noticed, maybe you have not, but now I wear the TG tag, after nearly 2 years as a non-taged regular. To go all Rutger Hauer 'I have seen it all'. Explosions over swapping or locked squads, noob tubes taking down little birds off the coasts of some dam, firefights in little corridors and saying 'roger wilco' down walkie talkies at work, or just generally being taken afront by the sheer misfortitudialness of my misivilively speakings... or seeing others'...
So what's the difference because I have always been TG without the tags? I read WhiskeySix's post and was hooked. Oh, yeah, I knew the sevrer was good. I knew the forums. Well, it was that post.
Then and for a looong time, I wanted to be one of the unknowns, where an unknown name felt comfortable to join my squad. I was TG in all but tag. I thought Community (hmm, theme illuding to the philosophy of Tg and how to act with insight and outwardly, anyone?). Whilst seeing all the locked squads with no chance of joining 'the elite'. Yes, this is what I saw then. The same stories come back, the decline too but perhaps the theme of what I met then, what I saw since, and my stance, is what I am trying to purvey.
Yes I met TG tagers with lofty attitudes or a sneer. I have also met non taged players with childish ways. But taking time, I met players that were TG and were nice guys, I met alot of non taged regulars that were too. So I joined the latter ranks in order to 'do my bit'.
So what changed? Well, I felt comfortable with the change at last. I had 'earned the TG tag' (at least for my perception of myself and my morals). But what is more, i found it was time to represent the guys that wore TG and constantly were open to new players, to be one of the TG guys that in my early days, showed me not all were haughty (in those days, it was reporting this and reporting that alot more than now, to the point that that even became negative and I shall choose the word 'fear' creating which was not nice - it is about balance.).
Furthermore, I spent time about the community, and my view changed about these 'locked squads'. The bunch of guys who want to hang out as they are friends. Fine.
But I never lost the aspect of community as WhiskeySix so aptly put in the forum sticky. That to me is - Everything.
So now I wear a TG tag.
Be nice to players. Be open. Yeah, don't take childish ways but reflect on what you may think is not necassarily right. Be prepared to exand your view. Allow mistakes - allow yourself to make mistakes. TG is a Community. PR is a game. Work in that. Allow others' and yourself to express in both. But. Remember what comes first.
This is the best server. We do have the best regulars - tag or not taged. And I was damned proud to be an untaged regular and my name to be in their ranks. I am also proud to represent TG (taged or not). But I feel it is time that not only have I earned the right (maybe but at least for me, through all my faults I have tried hard in what I see is necessary for the community) but also, this is a way of representing what TG is about. What people, too numerous to mention, do everyday here. Many non-taged, many taged. Some have more 'kudos' than others.. but to me, I know those of 'less kudos' that have more in my eyes. But I guess wiser people than I, like Wickens, Dispo, the thread starter of the 'inblancing issue', Dirt and many playrs in game, have already said that. But I hope this helps others in some way, to say, stick at it and grow TG the right way; especially the guys with an open mind and desire to 'do the right thing'.
But hey, that was my story.
And now it changes again. Now it's about representing the taged guys that I met, that were open, made squads (yep always done it and always infantry as.. well.. that's another story eh
Let's just say I am better at that), allowed any old sort come in, said hi, had patience (which must be used wieghted and timed), allowed learning, was giving, met others time after time, had a laugh, made fellowships and grew the community.
Finally, a small thank you to those that have shown me, some who have been mentioned here, and many out there, in the squads (like Flunder, Bob, KingKong et al, you know who you are but too many to write here, thanks guys), I am in that I have seen time over time, represent TG and been simply a fellow to me and others.
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11-14-2008, 05:58 AM #82
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Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
Bad idea. The forum is already turning into an authoritarian police state. Last thing we need is community members goading trigger happy admins for a lock.
Edit: I realise the above isn't helpful or fair, however rather than delete it I'll expand. The first post in this thread touches on the issue of respect. However this isn't a one way street restricted only to members posting about divisive and contentious issues. Increasingly all participants on this forum have shown a lack of respect to one another and that includes the forum moderators. Shoot me down if you like but the incessant stifling of debate and a lack of willingness to allow discussions to take their natural course is counter productive to the resolving and addressing of issues that the community members have. Not only that but it feeds into the current cycle of discontent that seems to be propagating itself on a daily basis. Taking a step back I feel the moderators have lost patience and to some degree respect for the members who post here for which I cannot blame them. This is manifesting itself in the above mentioned ways. This cycle needs to be broken by all parties if we're to move forward and it's fair to say that the forum is a reflection of the current state of play on the server. Mods aren't here to dictate and members aren't here to bitch. It's just something that's transpired somewhere along the way.
The preoccupation with the TG "image" and how our community is viewed by the rest of the gaming world needs a serious re-think. If we focus on why we're here in the first place (i.e. to enjoy a great game and play at it as best we can according to our doctrine) then we won't even have to worry what the perception of our community is. It'll take care of itself. Time to get back to basics.
As such I propose the indefinite suspension of the wearing of the TG tag by all members until such time that the community as a whole has earned the right to use them again. If individuals are letting the side down through their actions then it is time we start acting as a community and bring everyone up to standard again. This is the only way I can think of getting us to address these issues together whilst giving everyone something to focus on and work towards.Last edited by Danolboy; 11-14-2008 at 07:52 AM. Reason: CLARITY
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11-14-2008, 11:37 AM #83
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
That was more or less my point. It seems as though unless you're one of the cool kids, you can't talk about issues with the server. Maybe it's just this one issue of team balance, but when you have this many people saying there is a problem there probably is one. Muting the conversation isn't going to help.
Maybe we should use the term "team balance" as opposed to "team stacking". I dunno... team stacking I guess makes it sound more intentional than I think it really is. But combined with the all the flames for even mentioning this issue, the squads in game named "TEAMSTACK", and all the disrespectful chatter by TG tag wearers that goes on in game (with no kicks or warnings mind you... imagine a "nobody" talking about this and how long they would last)... to me it seems to be a selective process as to who is allowed to speak on this issue.
It is my opinion that locking a thread containing a heated discussion about something several supporting members perceive as a problem isn't the correct approach. I understand that a lot of threads get locked for good reason, but I'm not convinced that heated debate is just cause.
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11-14-2008, 11:44 AM #84
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
At what point does it change from debate to people trolling for reactions or rehashing points that have already been made? Additionally, it seemed to us that a logical, mature solution had been presented and that what was really the point of continuing. The OP had asked for a solution, whether he literally did or not is not important, the fact that he took the time to write the post indicates that he was looking for a solution. One was given. What else was needed, feedback on the solution and re-hashing the arguments again?
Additionally, there seems to be this attitude that unless everything is perfectly even then there is some injustice happening. This is the politically correct world we live in. A world where, when I was growing up, we could have a Halloween party or a Christmas party in school but now we have Fall parties and Winter parties because a very vocal minority got their feelings hurt. Same thing here. Someone loses a round in a video game and all of a sudden their rights are trampled on and a great injustice has been served. When someone comes literally sobbing into teamspeak because they lost a game there seems to be a problem, but I don't think the problem is with TG.
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11-14-2008, 11:59 AM #85
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
It changes at the point that you get a troll on the topic I guess. That's the nature of internet forums. However, does a troll's comments justify locking the entire thread? I don't believe so... I think the responsibility is on the reader of the post to ignore those comments. Dealing with individual users at that point, instead of squelching the conversation, seems more appropriate.
I would also counter with the following: When someone comes literally sobbing in a PM or post because someone said something bad about them or an issue they disagree with on a forum, there seems to be a problem as well.
I thank you for unlocking the thread on this subject. I'll try to be more civil in that discussion, as I take it that some of my comments must have triggered your troll alert. I even got bad rep (oh noes!) for my post pointing out that because we lose we suck.
Anyway, I guess there are some people who think that they should be protected from debate turned ugly on forums... and others that think they should be allowed to determine what is worthless for themselves.
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11-14-2008, 12:42 PM #86
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
Please note: I moved several of the teamstacking posts to this thread.
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11-14-2008, 12:54 PM #87

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Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
I am just curious how this thread has turned into a debate?
Disp posted some things on what needs to be done by everyone who plays PR at TG.......he listed several key points and summed up what has been happening.
Why does that automatically mean that all points and then some of your own opinions have to be said/posted as well?
I am just curious because what Dispo posted is pretty straight forward......and coincides with the rules and what TG is all about.
If anyone disagrees with it and is having a small child moment i will hold your hand on the server. - I am not saying this to be negative, i promise i will hold your hand on the server and make sure you get through the round A-OK!Last edited by Delta*RandyShugart*; 11-14-2008 at 06:37 PM.
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Apophis - "TG was created to cater to a VERY specific type of gamer rather than trying to appeal to the greater gaming population.
Tactical Gamer is not mainstream.
We are not trying to attract mainstream gamers."
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11-14-2008, 07:30 PM #88
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
Exactly. Dirtboy has clearly said it aswell before.
All the Community should work towards these two posts by these two people.
Why? Because what they say is happening and they have thought it out with a balanced view.
How should All do this: With maturity and respect for fellows. Not that it needs to be said, as we should already be striving to do this as individuals in our own lives, but, it is also clearly stated in the TG primer - this is the fundamental philosophy of TG. I repeat, in the Primer: It is the fundamental philosophy of TG.
What Dirt and Dispo clearly have said, is what needs to change because we are moving away from this. One aspect is poopooing others, and I know Dispo and Dirt don't take such a stance; they demonstrate it time after time, month after month, critique after critique.
As Delta says: '(what) Dispo posted is pretty straight forward......and coincides with the rules and what TG is all about'.
They say, stop the rot. And I agree.
To reiterate the key words: All, Maturity, Community.
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11-16-2008, 03:07 PM #89
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
I wish I had the time to write "The decline of fun as we know it due to overly serious attitudes and why everyone needs to chill out" but that is old news since I haven't played for months now.


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11-17-2008, 08:10 PM #90
Re: The decline of civilization as we know it and how to stop it
I think you all need to sing a song to help brighten the dismal mood of others, lets all think of grabbing hands and singing a song ill start it for you:
If I had a hammer
I'd hammer in the morning
I'd hammer in the evening
All over this land
I'd hammer out danger
I'd hammer out a warning
I'd hammer out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this landww.thisoldhouse.com/toh/
ww.bobross.com/ - RIP Bob, we all still miss you!
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