Originally Posted by Berlancic

This was meant to be a rhetorical Q? If not, I'll give you reasons why, I think:

Yes, skud's question was rhetorical. However, the reasons listed in your response are cop-outs IMHO, and I'll explain why. Keep in mind, this is nothing against you, just goes towards the relevance of the topic.

*People are trying to play the game/men can't do 2 things at once, usually (I.E. they're focusing on how to play, what is best so on, so forth.)

People can absolutely do two things at once. Ask any of the admin staff who routinely have to do that, or anyone who's ever led a squad or commanded a team. The whole "walking and chewing gum" analogy is null when dealing with common sense issues.

*They don't know what it is when people say 'professional', they haven't learnt it yet

In this regard, if people dont know how to conduct themselves in a professional manner, for whatever the reason is, they shouldnt get involved. Thats one of the big problems in threads like these.

*Everybody's immature at some point in their lives, sometimes it's a laugh but other times it consequences (in this context, they sort-of have consequences, unless admins kick people for not being professional)

Of course, but the expectation is that you conduct yourself with a level of maturity when you're playing on our servers or posting in our forums. Beyond that, its not just an expectation, its a requirement.

*This is an expectation? If so expectations for people on the server are nice, but those people usually don't read the rules/primer/anything. So we can't expect these people to live up to these expectations if they don't know what is expected of them in the first place!

This is the reasoning that I have the biggest problem with. Again, it's not you doing this, so dont sweat it. But anyone who has ever played on any server for any game in the history of online gaming knows that every server has rules.

Now, those rules may be consistent of "dont complain about anything or we'll kick you", but they're still rules regardless. In addition to that, we have scrolling messages on the server in bright green text that outline the major rules and give directions as to where to find the rest. If you get on a server and break the rules out of ignorance, you dont have an excuse, especially on servers like ours that make them abundantly clear.

The bottom line is that we expect everyone to live up to the rules and expectations of play and character on our server, regardless of whether its some random pubbie coming in for the first time or its Apophis dropping in for some well intentioned frivolity. Everyone is held to the same standard, and thats what makes the rules work. Granted, we do set aside a bit of leeway for newer players and do our best to instruct them in the way the world works before taking punitive action, but you get the point.

In conclusion, we're only human, life is unfair, the best we can do is set these rules, have an enforcement system (i.e. warning/kick/ban) and take whatever the world throws at us. Because that is life in a nutshell.

But it's more than that. As I said previously, its not just the admins job to keep the server respectable. Its our job too. Each and every one of us needs to pitch in and do everything we can to safeguard our servers. Taking what the world throws at us isnt enough, we have to be proactive and creative and solve those problems as they arise. This is what we all agreed to when we decided to put the tags on. Upholding TG's ideals is about more than just playing by the rules and ethos. It's about making sure that everyone else does too.