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Discussion: Project Reality / PR:BF2 - Quick Mumble Poll - Originally Posted by Sandiford
What, you need the TG admins to tell you're allowed to
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07-18-2009, 01:50 AM #76
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Re: Quick Mumble Poll
No, I'd like the community to use the announced inter squad communication which happens to be TS at the moment. When I hop on TS and half the team is on mumble instead it's worse for everyone.
Originally Posted by Sandiford
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07-18-2009, 02:42 AM #77
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When all the team is on mumble it's better for everyone. The community will use the best tool available to them, and eventually we'll all benefit. Originally Posted by snooggums
I agree that this switchover period is not ideal, which is why i'd like the last people to get mumble and make it quick, instead of dragging it out. We know which will win in the end, just a matter of time
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07-18-2009, 03:26 AM #78
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Yep, the community will use the best tool, and seeing as mumble is limited to PR, whereas the community hosts many many many more titles, TS will continue to reign supreme. I'm not a big fan of having to run a thousand programs to be able to switch games without much hassle. Its bad enough having to run steam in the background if I decide to jump between PR and TF2, for example. The joy of temaspeak is that its set up for the entire community, so if I decide to swap games, all I have to do is move channels and I'm set for comms on an entirely different platform. Originally Posted by Sandiford
I, for one, dont use mumble, and will continue not to use mumble until a specific set of criteria are met:
-It is a fully functioning, FULL RELEASE, item. Not a beta, not a release candidate.
-Installation with PR is seamless.
-It is REQUIRED for gameplay.
Why? Simple. I dont want to have to go through ridiculous setup and tweaking to get it to work. If it something that is so vitally important then the functionality should be integrated and problem free and the installation should be a one-stop-shop.
As for the third condition, I use teamspeak and in-game voip already. Those work just fine for me. Teamspeak uses 0 bandwidth and allows me to talk to the group of people whom I specify. If i want to lounge in the 6th channel and carry on side conversation with the boys, I can. If I want to communicate with my team in a coordination channel, I can. If I need to alert an admin to something, easy access. But the point is that I get to choose, and I can shut it up at will with a single keystroke if necessary. As for in-game voip, unless I'm a squad leader or playing a specialized role (i.e. CAS spotter), the only people I really need to communicate with is my squad. General communication can be done just as easily with text chat, and for instances like spotting, is often easier. Sure, there could be some call to be able to communicate with other squads on occasion, but after many many years of playing PR without that ability through comms, you kind get used to it.
Basically, I dont see the need to have a third program for comms, when the two that I have already serve me just fine. Besides, in my experience, nobody really seems to care that people arent using mumble. Sure, some people might mention it in passing, but when you say you dont have it and you're not going to leave the game just to install it, the issue generally dies.
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07-18-2009, 03:32 AM #79
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No pressure, you don't have to d/l it.
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07-18-2009, 05:22 AM #80
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Yeah, plz let's not start a TS vs. Mumble fight. This same discussion was already done before.
Too bad some people are having bsod and crashing issues with Mumble, but fortunately it's only a few rare cases, for whatever reason.
Mumble is great for all the reasons people posted before. TS is fine as well for SL talk, and since Mumble can do that and more, it gets down to preference, familiarity and those crashing issues. We think the first two can change if that's your only reason, but hey, it's your call.
The purpose is to increase and facilitate teamwork, so it would be nice to see TG increase it's usage (which has been happening more and more) and have good experiences with it.
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07-18-2009, 05:52 AM #81
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Oh, dont misinterpret what I'm saying db. Mumble is certainly a great achievement and has a vast potential that TS, in its current vestige, does not.
However, as you said, it boils down to familiarity and preference for the most part. I guess I'm just set in my ways and dont particularly feel the need for any addons when the current system suits me fine. I just felt like, as I have experienced before, giving a simple "no, i dont have it because i dont want it" would have opened a can of worms that I didnt particularly want to deal with, so I expanded on it a bit. Not intending to start a TS vs Mumble debate, cause as you said, we had one of those already.|TG-6th|Ferris Bueller
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07-18-2009, 09:52 AM #82
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Well I myself think that if there would be a problem with people not using Mumble it can be solved by incorporating it in the game (if that is even possible).
We could also in the future make it obligatory to use mumble the same way we use the squad joining kick.
I'm not saying these ideas are without flaws, but they can potentially work.
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07-20-2009, 12:12 PM #83
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-I use it because it gives a more realistic communication method and doesnt clog up the TS channel with things you need to communicate to a squad thats right by you but that no one else needs to know
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07-20-2009, 02:25 PM #84
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07-20-2009, 05:56 PM #85
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I only use it when there is an event, i dont get it because each team has their own channel, so its pretty much just like TS. Its just that you dont hear people across the map
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07-20-2009, 07:59 PM #86
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Another issue that a lot of people have is the increase in unecessary comms that squad members sometimes get involved in with mumble. I am regularly advised by SM's when leading that they couldn't hear me because they were talking/listening in mumble. Often these are guys that seem incapable of following the simplest instructions when they are actually listening, let alone when they are basically fooling around chatting to someone they know in a different squad, simply because they can. I have booted sqaud members for playing with mumble when they should be playing with their squad, not out of some bitter, reverse snobbery but because they are immaturely playing with the toy element of a comms tool when they should be focused on what they are doing. In essence they are not follwoing orders.
Also the 'we know best', 'you're all luddites', 'you're holding the community back' attitude is off putting. I know what works for me and what helps me get the job done, often that is muting TS, even when there is only pertinent info being exchanged.
Use mumble, please do, I am still evaluating it and will take my sweet time deciding if it is beneficial to me and my squad. I will no doubt test it more and more over the coming months, but please stop going on about it in game. Sometimes it's almost like the novelty value of using it is more important than whether or not it is effective. I only wish more people had been so 'excited' and pro-active about TS in the past.
The concept of mumble being compulsory is imo appalling, having a MIC is not compulsory but having mumble should be?! Are we actually saying that we should force people to use mumble whether they want to or not?
If it's that good and is going to be policed well people will switch over. Don't tell experienced players that you know better simply because they are evaluating something before wholeheartedly supporting it and either disagree with you or haven't made up their mind yet.TG PR Admins: Fighting for YOU on the frontlines in the War on Stupidity.
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07-20-2009, 11:18 PM #87
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Yes you MUST use it...........Mumble is secretly sending us all subliminal messages.... "must PR more...must PR more...must PR more...must PR more...must PR more..." Originally Posted by A.WICKENS
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mumble
I only used it for the first time yesterday.....jurys still out....
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07-20-2009, 11:29 PM #88
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Other than wookie noons is saying you have to use it.
Although it is 180 tickets better than TS.
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07-21-2009, 12:02 AM #89
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^^^^harhar, I don't think we can give mumble full credit for scrim victory, but it definetely helped. I would love to switch to mumble, as people have said it's essentially TS and more, I currently run both due to lack of users on mumble and admin things on TS. It's a great tool and extremely fun, anyone playin barracuda today can give testemant to that, defending supply basement with 12+ guys on mumble is so much more than regular PR, but SLs can still talk in private in the SL channel. Sorry for typos written on iPod.
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07-21-2009, 01:34 AM #90
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Not really anything mumble specific. Some people will chatter when they shouldn't be. You said it yourself, just certain people. If they weren't doing it on mumble it'd be on VOIP and you'd have to listen to it (or tell them to shutup). Originally Posted by A.WICKENS
Originally Posted by A.WICKENS
You're welcome to evaluate all you want. The only thing I have an issue with is people who won't even try it, usually because they have false beliefs which would quickly change if they gave it a go. Originally Posted by A.WICKENS
A better comparison is between mumble and having BF2 VOIP enabled (being able to hear people), if someone joined your squad and couldn't hear what you were saying, what would you do? Originally Posted by A.WICKENS
People could use mumble without a mic, just the same as VOIP.
Basic VOIP is essential for squad communication, mumble positional VOIP is a step up, allowing you to talk to your whole team. If BF2 VOIP could be upgraded with similar capability you wouldn't say no, I don't think a 5 minute install and a few seconds to join the server is too much to ask to make this happen ourselves.
There is already a server running with compulsory mumble, and it's been very successful.
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