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Discussion: Project Reality / PR:BF2 - Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan! - Originally Posted by mat552 And Dispo, because I'm actually curious, please don't take this as
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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    Quote Originally Posted by mat552 View Post
    And Dispo, because I'm actually curious, please don't take this as trying to start another argument, what protection do jets have that other vehicles don't? I thought the only place they aren't fair game is in main base, just like tanks or transport trucks.
    Aren't you basically agreeing with everyone else then about the tactic not being cheap nor illegal?

    I don't understand the position some of you are taking. Shooting down a jet while it is decelerating to land is not illegal. It is also not cheap. It is a smart tactic that uses the weakness of the jet against it. FK has posted ways to counter it and I'm sure there are others as well.

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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    I think we should turn the entire map into one big UCB. That way no one is allowed to shoot, and no one is allowed to shoot back. It will all be ong big staring contest.

    The team that has the less disconnects wins!

    maybe there could be a UN faction that sits on the battlefield with Blue Uniforms and makes sure all the rules are being followed, and they could have a big ruler instead of a gun to measure the distance each person got shot from the UCB, and then...
    This is genius!



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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    I imagine the complaint is that it is highly unlikely that hostile AA is allowed to sit within range of the end of a run way. This is why aircraft operate the way they do, being vulnerable during takeoff and landings.

    The complaint goes with the assumption that the "bases" on the map are only there out of necessity and do not represent the actual distance that would be between them. With this idea the bases should not be part of the game play. The "base" for jets is so much a physical area in this case as it is the idea of safety when they would go to land at their main base.

    Do you really want a pilot to ask you to go check for AA every time before he lands? Are you going to do that job? Considering the amount of resentment for pilots around here I doubt it.
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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    Perhaps, but FollKontact said it best, just fly over the area first to make sure there isn't any AA nearby. Problem solved.

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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    It is possible for the AA to not lock the aircraft until it is flying slow. There is no real sure fire solution other than to have someone go do airport patrol.
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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    I understand the point you are all trying to say here, before i could even fly , drop bombs or land , i got destroyed countless times by aircraft in kashan as infantry or as armor, Air superiority can be a huge factor and especially in kashan.

    What Fullkontact said is the most rational thing to do normally, but dont forget that theres things goin on in the sky between both ennemie fighter wich the infantry on the ground cant see, like dogfighting and running out of flares is not rare. Just imagine dogfighting against an ennemie jet, you survive but you spent all your flares in the process, you then return to base only to get shot down by an AAV wich was waiting 1.5 k south of the runway, this is not what happened yesterday but it could have been. It is extremely frustrating for the pilot and for the team wich lost their most valuable assets.


    I know how people feel against pilots, they are disliked, If you just take off then get shot down 2 min later, people wills always complain and say your a bad pilot and you get a bad reputation, If you never get shot down and you just completly destroy the other team you get labelled as an asset whore, thats how it is, but facts are if you dont fly aircraft often you most likely fail everytime. You need to be an "asset whore" to be effectivee with those things, its sad but this is the truth.


    Saying that aircraft are almost invincible is not a reason to sit 1.5 k away from the ennemie runway with the clear intention of shooting down the plane, jets are powerful when used correctly yes but they are still very weak against AA and without good spotters, you get shot down 80% of the time.

    yesterday i flew over 2 hours without getting shot down, it is one of the rare round i did good with the aircraft , though I almost got shot down at least 5 times including 1 time where i took heavy damage and had to do an emergency landing, when you get heavy damage the plane just keep getting damage and 30 sec to 1 min later its just explode so without a very fast landing you are dead, it didnt happen to me yesterday cause ive been lucky enough to land quickly, but what would have happened if an AAV was 1.5 away from the main? i would have been dead and theres no way i could have avoided those AA.


    FullKontact is right, you should do a fly by before landing, but only if you still got flares and bombs to destroy them, but 90% of time you need to land, it is because you need flares or bombs...... Even if you have flares and you spot the ennemie aa before he shot you down, he is still blocking the landing path for future landing.



    going out of bound to land is not an option in kashan and quinling, the runway is just too close to the edge of the map.


    Ps: sry for my grammar, i just woke up...lol
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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    Remember, you don't need flares to dodge enemy AA fire but it sure helps. But if you aren't sure and don't know if you're being loked then fly upside down, hit control and use mouse look to check the ground under you. It's a great way for spotting tanks too

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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    We're confined by the physical limitations of the map. Having two air bases, hostile to one another, in such close proximity is ridiculous in reality.

    Making an artificial barrier that AAVs cannot go into is ridiculous as well. There is no way to expect that every player on our server at any given time will know where those boundaries are and respect them. We have a hard enough time with bunny-hopping on this server.

    This is just one of those things that is a fact of life for pilots. You're going to have to accept the risks inherent with the asset. Each of us gets killed multiple times every round in ways we find disgusting and aggravating but are clearly within the confines of the rules. We just have to deal with it and move on.

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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    Lots of players that come to our server don't know many of the rules that we have. It doesn't stop us from enforcing those.

    A boundary not defined by physical guidelines but by concepts such as "taking off" and "landing" should be within the grasp of most players.
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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    So, what boundaries of protection do we extend to other players/assets? If the jets get one then everyone else deserves one, too.

    At what point is a jet no longer "taking off" but flying? At what point does it stop flying and begin "landing"? Airspeed? Altitude? Do players have to confirm that it is currently "wheels down" before they can shoot or not?

    This is crazy.

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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    It is already in place.

    It is protection from baserape.

    We don't people to camp the exit to a main and fire once they are 5 feet out of it.

    Although the dimensions are different this is similar.
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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    It's not baserape if you are not inside your base.

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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    Quote Originally Posted by mat552 View Post
    Snoggums, seeing as we're not playing Korengal because of those issues, I find it a silly example :P
    The Korengal main base was camped since release and we have had it on the server until it was removed during the beta (due to not being able to get supply trucks anywhere to build FoBs). The only difference was it was more effective for the Taliban with the changes, not that it was some new thing.

    I call in artillery on BluFor bases during insurgency all the time. I see it as similar to the jet issue, killing while their pants are down. But it is realistic and does not detract from game play (enemies would try to ambush jets on take off and landing if possible...)
    Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.

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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    Quote Originally Posted by d1sp0sabl3H3r0 View Post
    It's not baserape if you are not inside your base.
    If we are going to expect this to be clear cut we need to give concrete definitions to "base".

    As should be obvious I have always considered it more of a concept rather than a physically defined space, but you seem to feel differently?
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    Re: Aircraft landing in quinling and kashan!

    Quote Originally Posted by Namebot View Post
    If we are going to expect this to be clear cut we need to give concrete definitions to "base".

    As should be obvious I have always considered it more of a concept rather than a physically defined space, but you seem to feel differently?
    From the rules:

    Aircraft returning to their main airfield may be engaged until they've landed.
    Sounds pretty clear to me when talking about this thread. I think telling people absolutes is way easier than concepts when they are new to the server.

    With other bases the walls are the barrier, and there is a note that you can't camp Exits. Pretty simple and easy to explain.
    Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.

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