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03-17-2010, 12:57 PM #16

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Re: Respect and politeness.
I think Kwalc, D1spo and Snoogums posts are right on, what my help situations like this further is if there is at least 1 admin on each side during each round.
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03-17-2010, 01:21 PM #17
Re: Respect and politeness.
Although this would certainly help, so long as people report with as much clarity as shown in this thread there is not much need to tax the admins further.
I must say that this thread has brought up the key issue at TG atm, if everyone could be as mature and respectful as the people in this thread, then everything else would fall into place.
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03-17-2010, 01:52 PM #18
Re: Respect and politeness.
I love the admins !
But I notice that the same names pop up in these threads all the time and the thought occurs to me that this info should be spread during the game as well.
I don't read the forums every day and I'm sure lots of other regular players don't either ( choice between playing PR or reading about it ...playing always wins out).
I try to explain to people who mess up why they messed up ( HAT/SNIPER lost to Ins etc) and why it matters, that helps them understand why some other players are raging at them and sometimes help to defuse things.One man gathers
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03-17-2010, 03:35 PM #19
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Re: Respect and politeness.
I imagine this could actually be possible, assuming the devs were to implement a way to do this. They already modified they "You are wounded" screen with new text, so, theoretically, they could use the same draw hooks, tied to an admin command. The question is whether the "You are wounded" announcement is serverside or clientside, and I'd lean toward clientside, in which case there's likely no way to do it, at least not through that path.
BF2 is not an engine conducive to modding, unfortunately.
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03-17-2010, 03:52 PM #20
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03-17-2010, 04:41 PM #21
Re: Respect and politeness.
A quick reminder, the PR rules are the PR specific rules and are really just further clarifications or reminders of the basic TG rules for the BF2 servers that are linked in the second post of the rules thread. For example the Basic Rules of Conduct and the Primer for TG servers as outlined in the main BF2 forum are as follows, and are also in effect on the PR server. Only the Strive for Realism (also common on most other titles) and Main Base rules (handled slightly differently depending on the mod) are unique to PR. The post below was last edited in 2005 and the second post in the Rules thread that links to it as required reading was not changed when we updated the PR specific rules, this is something that all TG players should be aware of already.
Basic Rules of Conduct
ON-LINE GAMING (Basic Rules of Conduct)
* No swearing;
* No abusive behaviour;
* No racist, sexist or homophobic behaviour;
* Respect for Tactical Gamer and other members must be maintained at all times;
* The elected or appointed in-game CO's (Commander) & SL's (Squad Leader) commands and directions are to be followed at all times;
* Individual kit load-outs are to be consistent with the leaders request;
* Inappropriate or unsociable use of on-line gaming systems will be dealt with at the discretion of the BF2 System Administrators.
BF2 System Administrators function as trouble-shooters, helping to maintain a positive and enjoyable atmosphere, both in forums and on-line gaming. Administrators are able to give warnings, close threads and move threads in all forums. In addition, administrators implement "time outs" or bans if members fail to follow the rules or heed a number of warnings. The BF2 Administrators have the right to remove any post, topic or person for any reason they see fit. BF2 System Administrators and Tactical Gamer Moderators are the only players who have the right to exercise or take disciplinary actions within the context of Tactical Gamer's BF2 forums and on-line game play. The admins are here to ensure that players are having fun on the server and also to maintain gameplay that is expected on Tactical Gamer servers.
1) Non-Game Admins should not take responsibility for any concerns that they or other players may have resulting from other players. Report any issues to Tactical Gamer staff, Game Officers or Game Admins.
2) The public servers are our link to the outside world. As such our representation when playing should be one of best behaviour.
3) Remember to play the missions as though it is the first time you have played them. New players entering need to see how we play at Tactical Gamer.
4) You are required to review our Standard Operating Procedures regularly for guidance on what is expected on Tactical Gamer servers.Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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03-17-2010, 05:18 PM #22
Re: Respect and politeness.
I definitely agree. I frequently have to bring the console up to see what was said, and sometimes the chat storage gets cleared or whatever strange thing BF2 does with chat and it goes away and I have no idea what happened. Maybe some sort of audiovisual cue? I like the "this is a warning" text in the middle of the screen idea. Some kind of low-pitched beeping? Even ingame chat sometimes gets messed up by this, especially when there's squad chat and team chat and everything all going on at the same time, and i get distracted by having to walk in something other than a straight line, etc. etc.
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03-17-2010, 05:22 PM #23
Re: Respect and politeness.
I'm pretty sure that since the text is shown to everyone, if we could center it then it would be in the center of everyone's screens when someone else got warned. I also believe the quick timeout is a technical issue that couldn't be resolved since it has been around for years just like our server full being a kick for team killing message, but I don't know for sure.
Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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03-17-2010, 05:23 PM #24
Re: Respect and politeness.
Having played thousands of rounds of PR, as well as thousands of hours of other games, I am acutely familiar with gaming frustrations, as many of you are. It takes a steady hand and a great deal of willpower not to unleash said frustrations on those around you in the gaming world. It takes years to develop that sense of maturity and playstyle in which you can slough off the bad, compliment the mediocre and praise the good. For those of us that have developed such a style, TG is a haven; a singular bastion of maturity in an otherwise overwhelmingly immature culture.
But what seems to be missed as of late is twofold:
1. While TG is an open community, it is expected that you play by our rules and standards. The "I didnt know" excuse only holds so much water through multiple levels of warnings.
2. Just because you're here and may have been here for a while doesnt give you a get out of jail free card.
That being said, yes, everyone has bad days. I have seen the majority of our admin staff experience what happens on a "bad day". They're human and subject to that kind of thing. As such, they also realize that each and every player on the server, whether they know you or not, is also human and subject to having a bad day. This is why they dont swing for the fences with the banhammer on each transgression. But thats not been our problem.
Lately I've also been noticing a trend. It starts with someone ribbing someone else. It then turns into general smacktalk from those who see or hear it. It then floods over onto comms and turns into immature behavior all over. I have seen it from tagged and untagged players alike. But with the recent rule changes, I have been biting my tongue about it, hoping that people would get the message and people would improve their manner. I'm saddened to see that it hasnt happened that way. This isnt the fault of the admin staff failing to crack down hard enough, they have always done and continue to do an excellent job, so dont try to pin the problem on them.
The problem lies with us, the playerbase. TG tagged members, and especially members of in house squads need to understand this completely and take it absolutely to heart. While the admins are the ones with the hammers, those of us wearing the tag are the face of TG. WE are the ones responsible for making the server look good. WE are the ones responsible for setting the example for ANYONE who chooses to play here. WE are the ones who bear the onus of teaching every player we come across the TG way. That is the bottom line. We need to keep in mind that there is a time and place for everything. If you're stressed out or frustrated and need to vent, you do it in PRIVATE. If privacy isnt available, TAKE A BREAK. If you fail to do so and display your ass for everyone to see, as someone wearing a tag, you can expect the hammer to fall hardest on you, and nobody will bear you any sympathy for it.
So keep that in mind. Wearing a tag makes you more than a representative of TG's ideals. It makes you a teacher of those ideals. Just because you dont read the forums often or you encounter those who dont/havent read them doesnt lessen your responsibility. You know what you signed on for by wearing the tag and you are expected to take that responsibility seriously. If you cant see fit to do that, I would recommend doing a bit of evaluation as to where you really stand. The tag isnt just a "badge of cool".
Another issue is reporting infractions. If you see something that you feel needs to be reported, there are SEVERAL ways of taking care of the problem.
1. in-game reporting using the !r or !reporting functions. You can do these in any of the chat systems (yes, admins can see it even if you do it in squad chat).
2. voice comms. You can report infractions to the admins that are on mumble or teamspeak. if you want to do it a bit more privately than using mumble, you can always ask an admin to talk to you privately on teamspeak and I have absolute confidence that they would be happy to oblige the request.
3. Post-reporting on the forums. Just because it happened earlier doesnt mean that the person gets away with it. Get all the details you can on the incident such as approximate time, map, player name, etc, and make a post in the 'Contact an Admin' forum. The admins take these just as seriously as any other report, and it usually helps with visibility as the admins can PM the person on the forums and make sure the point gets across.
The bottom line is that there are no excuses for acting out. As I said, the admins understand having a bad day, but that only spreads so thin before action has to be taken. The admins have several messages on the server and on the server banner in the browser explaining exactly where to find the rules and even what some of them are. We dont need to change PR. We dont need to code in new warning messages. We simply need to take it upon ourselves to clean up the server by instruction and example. Do your part and things will get better, choose not to and expect to reap the consequences of your actions.
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03-17-2010, 06:42 PM #25
Re: Respect and politeness.
I wont say much as lots of this has been said before.
1st, if you having problems with a IHS member / Admin / Regular / Guy who uses the forums please... Please take your problem to them 1st. Please allow these people the respect to let them know that their actions hurt you and in what way. If we all just communicated better with each other than we would have an easier time getting along.
2nd, If you contact with said player is not constructive, or dose not help the problem please use the Contact an Admin section.
3rd, if you are unhappy with the way something is handled in the CTA please take it higher up the chain of command. Asch, Mantis, Dispo (as long as hes not the guy) any of our game officers / TG admins.
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03-17-2010, 08:20 PM #26
Re: Respect and politeness.
The server seems a lot friendlier now. But I am afraid it has to stop, because I've noticed that everytime Wickens said good job to another squad the rubberbanding got worse.









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03-17-2010, 08:44 PM #27
Re: Respect and politeness.
That's right teamwork also required between players and admins! In short even one of you can make a huge difference with reporting players if you take the time to do it when an admin can't or doesn't catch it.
*exits stage left*
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03-17-2010, 10:10 PM #28
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03-18-2010, 10:13 AM #29
Re: Respect and politeness.
all players should think and use their brain before:
using j key (is it really necessary?)
spamming mumble for no reason
taunting
doing stupid things like taking out a HAT/sniper on insurgent mode / fools road as bluefor (it can ruin the whole game for 1 team)
beeing rude against teamplayers who are not so experienced
adding spam if someone else start (shut up or something like that is also spam)
players shouldnt act like admins (there is a difference between: "1 man AAV is not allowed on this server, can you please return it to main?" or "you idiot, you are useless with that aav, you will be kicked or banned i hope")
if you disagree with an admin and his action take it to the contact an admin section and dont fight it out ingame.
dont forget that a warning ist just a warning, a hint, getting your attention, without any punishment.
a kick is a wakeup to stop doing something.
admins do the job without getting money for it, its for free for the community. They use their time and energy to keep the server enjoyable. please watch your language and behavior against them if you disagree.
yes, it is a game and everyone can hide behind the unknown internet user, but sometimes players wouldnt act like that in real life.
read the rules and the primer sometimes again to remember.
YOU AND YOUR ACTING CAN BE THE DIFFERENCE TO OTHER SERVERS.
my 2 cents.
PS: admins are not here cause they like to punish, they are there to keep the server enjoyable for everyone.
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03-20-2010, 07:18 PM #30
Re: Respect and politeness.
Best post I have read in ages.
TG PR Admins: Fighting for YOU on the frontlines in the War on Stupidity.
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