Originally Posted by BigGaayAl

As for as I know you would only really need the two SL's on TS. How about just having those two SL's in a ts room, and using voip in the fire-team?
q: Have you tried this with just the SL's in ts? What are your thoughts about the practicality?

NEW FACTS

- The 8 players total are known as a SECTION. Not a squad. This helps distinguish between the two different player organizations.

- 2, 4 man fireteams can work effectively with just the 2 In-game Squad Leaders on the same Teamspeak channel. No other members from each fireteam are required.

- Both In-game squad VOIP and TS communication channels are opened through key binds. NOT though voise activation.

- Team Commanders (CO's) are always informed as to the exact name and number of squads in close co-operation over TS. Also the overal leader of the group or groups identifies himself to the CO, to ensure clear and effective communication of the CO's orders.



I must aplogise for failing to inform all of you earlier when these facts came apparent. However it appears you figured alot of them out with out me - unsuprising.
But what the above list shows, when compared with my orginal post and ideas, is that "Total Fire Superiority" will only be achieve through; listening to other people, experiementing in game, being brutaly critcal - what works, what does not and WHY and finaly, developing, developing, developing!

The above small list is a result of this process, allthough development of it took a long time, too long. Development of all ideas in relation to use of TS will continue and for me and many others, it is jolly exciting.

Originally Posted by BeerHunter

That makes much more sense to me as in RL , only the SL's communicate outside the squad while the rest of the squad communicate with all members.

Correct. Remember also though that the 2 in-game squads are to operate as though they were only 1. In RL the British Army operate exactly this, 8 men, 2 - 4 man fireteams, aswell as alot of the tactics we presently employ using this system. In RL it is known as SECTION and not a squad, everyone in the section can yell their head off at any other man, therefore communication between all members of the section is possible and easy.

In PR a balance must be found be allowing communication between the 2 fireteams but making that communication easy and clear. The minimum is, as i said, the 2 in-game SLs on TS, while the maxium is an extra 2 players, 1 from each fireteam if possible also on TS, therefore a total of 4. This makes the Section leaders life easier becuase half of the section understand exactly what is going on and can therefore make the Section Leaders life easier by doing things with out him having to ask or ask twise.

Originally Posted by BeerHunter

Also , as Al said , allows ANYONE to participate with out the need of TS and reduces the confusion (only 2 on TS rather than 6-8 hollering in your ear)..

;-)

Originally Posted by BeerHunter

Also gives the opportunity for ALL SL's to join TS and communicate with all squads. Then you could progress to specialty squads so calling in amour/air /transport support becomes feasible. Almost like using a Central Communications Centre.

I am terribly sorry but the progress has already happened.

The most basic example is:
- 2 players on TS. 1 player operates an Inf. Squad (6 men - you know that dont you!). 1 player operates an APC. Squad (1 APC only).

This is very simply but provides the infantry squad with fast and safe transport, a spwn, limited kit and firesupport. This makes them many many times powerfull than if they just operated alone with out the APC.

Originally Posted by BeerHunter

(This can also be done through the Commander but the reality is there isn't always a Commander or the Commander may not be up to the task.)

Degrades the Commanders roll a wee bit , true , but not significantly IMO as the Commander still controls the battlefield but doesn't have to concern himself with micro managing the squads.(knew there was a reason for the voice command "Get me outta here" )

Man you're on the ball today. A marvelous example of all this was last night (Tuesday 21st August):

- 10 + TG players on TeamSpeak TOTAL. (Wild it was not, they were intialy all grumpy fckers....jking)
- 1 TS user as the MEC CO (Murderous)
- 2 TS users Squad Leading a MEC Inf. Squad each. (TopCat and DirtyBoy)
- 1 TS user operating in a MEC Armour Squad. (Druulen)

Intialy TeamSpeak was a burden to increased close co-operation. This was mainly becuase the the 4 TS users on the MEC team had to communicated on the channel containing all the other TG TS user.
THe MEC CO was also on this channel, this meant about 1/4 of the MEC team (of the 10 TG TS users, 7 + where on the MEC team) could communicate with him! LOL
So did the 2 MEC INF. SLs communicate over TS or using the in-game CO channel? WE HAD NO IDEA.

So basicaly it was a mess. Too many people could talk to one another and in many cases players could communicate to each other in 2 ways.

We solved this by the 2 INF. SLs and Armour man moving to a different channel (the private channel) but the CO remained on the main PR channel. This allowed the INF. SLs and Armour to communicate privately and assit each other, particular in engaging enemy armour and also in co-ordinating their attacks to ensure no flag was left undefended.
90% of the communications made on this channel the CO would not have wanted to hear. And any thing he need to hear, we told him

Ofcourse we smashed the other team. However it was by no means an easy fight but crucialy: WE FOUGHT HARD AS TEAM, not just seperate indervidual squads and assets (armour/ infantry).


So look forwed for more in game "experiements" and more idea updates. I have a big one comming, which will include refined ideas on simple effective communication and the instructions on the different SECTION, squad and armour organization and most importantly, methods to developt tactics.
SIMple, clear, no Waffle, precise and too the point - otherwise, tis worthless.