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  1. 03-15-2006, 03:24 PM #31
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    Re: talking?

    I dont think TS is the answer to our talking problems personally. Eventually TS will cause as many problems in-game as it solves once we open the server to pubbies. Also not everyone from TG can/does utilize TS while playing in game.

    The best way is to figure out how to maximize (if possible) the VOIP for everyone.
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  2. 03-15-2006, 03:28 PM #32
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    Re: talking?

    Well, it sounds like the VOIP in-game is perfectly usable, so it will be used.

    I was just curious as to why, in this day and age, we're even presented with options which drive us to see that decision (in-game or TS) as needing to be made at all.

    Maybe the higher-quality voice compromises your ability to hear the game? That is, maybe the higher detail in the voice hinders your ability to hear detail in the game? Just a thought.
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  3. 03-15-2006, 03:35 PM #33
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    Re: talking?

    I agree in-game is there and should be utilized. My settings last night were on EAX, now that I've read the forums I will change back as suggested and would expect to be able to hear more on voice.

    Also, as to the OP, the reason you might not "hear" could be 3 things:
    1. People on TS aren't using in-game voip
    2. People using the local in-game channel and your not near enought to hear them
    3. People have only spent 1 night in the game and don't know enough to even begin talking.

    For example, when I spot a contact, in BF2 I would comma rose spot them and voip to my squad their location. In RO there is no comma rose and I don't have a CLUE about were I am on the maps so I can't exactly say anything in VOIP.

    It will come with time and text is definately not going to work. I'm not taking my eyes off the battle to read text or my hands off the mouse to type a response.
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  4. 03-15-2006, 04:02 PM #34
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    Re: talking?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyzcrak
    How do you mean?
    I mean, the great solution somebody came up with five years ago isn't available to those designing games today -- they're forced to reinvent the wheel.
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  5. 03-15-2006, 04:04 PM #35
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    Re: talking?

    I can't imagine that's it. It's the same technology from the past. You're just using better codecs, which can be licensed (is that accurate?). Surely it's not a cost issue.
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    Re: talking?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyzcrak
    I can't imagine that's it. It's the same technology from the past. You're just using better codecs, which can be licensed (is that accurate?). Surely it's not a cost issue.
    I'm wrong: http://www.speex.org/
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  7. 03-15-2006, 04:42 PM #37
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    Re: talking?

    Right. SPEEX is what I had in mind, but I don't exactly "keep up" with the voice codec scene, so there could be something cooler floating around by now. Speex has been around for years.

    Natural Selection uses it. Teamspeak uses it. Does RO use it? Dunno.

    I just know that title after title doesn't meet the voicecomm quality expectations that the Internet of the past FIVE YEARS have proven all-too-reasonable.

    So, I'm saying, something about those expectations must be made unreasonable given some details of these recent titles. I meantioned the playercount/server/network/load theory. Another theory is licensing costs.

    I'm just curious to know what it actually is.
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    Re: talking?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyzcrak
    Well, it sounds like the VOIP in-game is perfectly usable, so it will be used.

    I was just curious as to why, in this day and age, we're even presented with options which drive us to see that decision (in-game or TS) as needing to be made at all.

    Maybe the higher-quality voice compromises your ability to hear the game? That is, maybe the higher detail in the voice hinders your ability to hear detail in the game? Just a thought.
    since when have radios in REAL war fare been good? i know most the time in iraq was used trying to find working sets

    personally i think the voice com on ALL games is good enough for what it is needed for... its not as if your recording a hit song or something. Id much rather use my bandwidth on smooth game play, and GOOD bullet registering rather than Crystal clear voice com.
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    Re: talking?

    I don't want to strain to hear my team in the name of realism, and properly-managed modern codecs have been known to reduce, not always increase, server and client bandwidth requirements.
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    Re: talking?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strag
    Tripwire says there is some sort of issue with Creative cards (something about EAX) that causes issues with RO's VOIP, if I remember correctly. I don't know if this is something that will be resolved soon, if at all.
    This really is rather unacceptable. Everyone has these fancy sound cards that cost a load of cash, and they have to use an inferior software audio renderer that bypasses those sound cards and probably makes performance worse.
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