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Discussion: Red Orchestra: Ostfront / Red Orchestra - Tactics and Mission Discussion - Role of the sniper - Today i encountered a certain person who did not appreciate my sniper rifle on stalingradkessel
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03-18-2006, 03:34 AM #1
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Role of the sniper
Today i encountered a certain person who did not appreciate my sniper rifle on stalingradkessel as russian. He said that i am not contributing anything for my team and i was shooting into the spawn.
For the record i had the highest score on my team first off, but that isnt really the point. The North railyard is a capture point and anything i see in the railyard is dead, especially if they are shooting at me. I have yet to see or shoot anything that has just spawned in.
Is not the role of a sniper to demoralize the enemy by being a shadows and killing anyone who crosses their path. Unlike in real life snipers in this game, you do not get to pick or choose to shoot the commanding officer of enemy unit, therefor in this game you must shoot every enemy soldier you see. Am i not doing a valuable service for my team by getting rid of those pesky mgers and other snipers? Am i not doing a good job in thinning out the amount of enemy soldiers advancing towards their objectives?
I just found it funny that such a comment was said when i was doing the very role the sniper was designed for. Maybe this person was just angry for me shooting him so many times, but please dont say im not contributing to my team. Respect the sniper.
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03-18-2006, 03:38 AM #2
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I was there when this happened. I don't believe it holds too much argument, most of the opposing team was well hidden from the sniper defending the first objective, which would mean it would be difficult to position yourself where you could shoot into the warehouse we were all in (or you could try sniping like in DoD where you can inch into crossfire and take a shot accurately before anyone had time to react). I heard though you were spawn camping or something from the roofs, however overall this did not really affect the 3-4 guys we had entrenched in there.
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03-18-2006, 03:46 AM #3
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Spawn camping is the act of shooting into the spawn as the enemy spawns. It is not possible on any of the RO maps to do this. So sitting on the roof facing to north rail yard is totally legit.
The warehouse is pretty much off limits to any sniper. There are no good sniping positions in there. Russian sniper really gets the shaft on that map though. There is only 1 decent spot to sit and it is in the open. Germans on the other hand has a lot of options where to place a sniper.
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03-18-2006, 06:41 AM #4
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I think the problem here is that people consider the area between the spawn zone and the current objective that is being defended as 'safe'. Whereas I am sure that it would be possible on some maps to get into a spawn zone RO does a good job of notifying you of this and telling you to get out. Instead i think on the warehouse map people consider that they can safely sprint from the spawn area into the back wall of the warehouse without needing to worry about cover etc. My thinking is that if you are willing to risk this to gain the advantage of getitng back into the fight quickly then you should not complain if you take a bullet.
This is very different from spawn camping, and I personally have no objections to an enemy that flanked my team in order to suppress and kill re-enforcements that are moving up. In fact I would congratulate them for their clever thinking.
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03-18-2006, 09:49 AM #5
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The RO devs seem to have taken spawn camping into consideration, and done everything possible to just not allow it. I remember one of the devs saying something about eliminating spawn camping, but to remember that camping *spawn exits* was perfectly acceptable. My thinking is if you can be shot - you're not in your spawn.
I think many are just not used to having to worry about seeking cover right off the bat before moving off to the next objective. I know I've been guilty of this on that map - there are times as Soviets that a German gets in the first room to the right entering the Warehouse, and picks everyone off as they enter that room. It seems a bit dodgy at first, but there IS cover approaching that door - and there are other ways in. Take cover, toss some nades, cover your team's back - and clear the room.
I will say that to me, the sniper's main job should be to eliminate the enemy sniper, the CO if you get a clear shot at him at his radio (only way you could really tell) and then the MG if he's out in the open - obviously not if he's setup in a building somewhere. After that, harrass, harrass, harrass. It IS annoying - and that's the point.BF2 POE2: NC_Tarheel
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03-18-2006, 10:06 AM #6
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FWIW I played quite a bit of WWII Online with Razak644 and he was not not a spawn camper.
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03-18-2006, 12:11 PM #7
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Not quite truethe CO if you get a clear shot at him at his radio (only way you could really tell)
- I was playing on the trenches and artillery position map last night (must learn their names), and although I only had a normal rifle I could quite clearly see the enemy CO with binoculars to his eyes. I didn't manage to get a fatal hit on him (maybe not a hit at all), but I had him run for cover!
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03-18-2006, 12:13 PM #8
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Razak as a fellow avid sniper, you are the exact definition of a sniper. Never seen and always felt. I hate playing against you because of that. Dont ever worry about not being an asset to the team, the sniper in the RIGHT hands will always piss off those players who dont appreciate that skill and patience it takes to play the kit.
that sounds like a good idea trooper.
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03-18-2006, 01:03 PM #9
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Yeah, I was on the opposing team as well. Once I heard you were on the roof of assembly hall, I simply proceeded to avoid you like the plague
You can't really spawncamp in this game anyway, you can camp the ouside of the spawn area, but there are multiple paths out of it, so a careful team can easily get out with no problem. Razak's bullets never managed to pierce my face.
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03-18-2006, 01:16 PM #10
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Oh yeah, hadn't thought of that! So definitely shoot anyone at a radio, or with binoculars. Oh, and move. I'm going to guess if he panics as he spots you shooting at him when he's in bino view, the first thing he's going to do is lock YOUR coordinates in for the arty. Your area will become very bad soon if he gets to the radio. :-)
Originally Posted by Wulfyn
Not quite true - I was playing on the trenches and artillery position map last night (must learn their names), and although I only had a normal rifle I could quite clearly see the enemy CO with binoculars to his eyes. I didn't manage to get a fatal hit on him (maybe not a hit at all), but I had him run for cover!BF2 POE2: NC_Tarheel
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03-18-2006, 10:48 PM #11
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Thank you guys for understanding.
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03-20-2006, 02:22 AM #12
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I dont think the comments were raised because of you "spawn camping" it was more that the soviet team couldnt get into the Warehouse and that you were still hunting the back areas. Yes, you were top with kills but it was obviously not helping out your team. I honestly don't know what else you could've done, but where I see the message coming from is the fact that you were in the back on the Railyard roof or on top of the assembly hall roof shoot at the reinforcements while the rest of the soviet side was pinned down at the warehouse entrance.
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03-20-2006, 03:27 AM #13
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what was a supposed to do? Use my sniper as assault? I used my sniper to the best of its abilities by trying to stop the germans running into the warehouse. True i couldnt get them all, but i was weeding them out. I was only on top of the Railroad yard roof once and that was in the beginning. Most of the time i was either down near the sandbags, right outside of the north railyard wall and on top of the assembly hall. How was i not helping my team out? Its not my fault they could not break through and i did my best in to lessen the amount of germans coming to them. I did my job. Originally Posted by aculle01
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03-20-2006, 07:09 AM #14
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The role of the sniper is to kill from a distance and if you are at or near the top of the kill list you are certainly helping your team. Every enemy killed helps the guys in the trenches by eliminating reinforcements or flankers. Originally Posted by aculle01
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03-20-2006, 08:23 AM #15
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My gut feeling on this is that it is up to whoever is in command to tell the sniper where to go and what role he wants him to do. If Razak was told by his commander to not do what he was doing then there would be a problem. If no-one was taking command just moaning then i see no problem. If you are not prepared to step up and take responsibility for the co-ordination fo the team then you should not complain when people don't do what you want them to do.
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