Re: system crash at launch

**CingularDuality** · 03-27-2006, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Faultline

I hope they fix this soon. I reinstalled ZA and I am just not comfortable operating without it. So, in the meantime I can't play RO anymore

Well, I've never been able to play it, for the same reason, so...

I've just written it off as another crappy game from another crappy developer. Glad it didn't cost much...

**Faultline** · 03-27-2006, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Well, I've never been able to play it, for the same reason, so...

I've just written it off as another crappy game from another crappy developer. Glad it didn't cost much...

I actually uninstalled it just to play this game. Ran without ZA for a week and a half and decided I couldn't live without it, especially when I diagnosed I had a TROJAN lurking in my PC!!

I do hope they fix it so you can get a taste of the game. It's a good game, and will only improve with some of the modifications that Tzefanya and others have been working on.

**fldash** · 03-27-2006, 03:29 PM

ZoneAlarm is a not a very good piece of software. In my opinion, it's crap. I have never ran a virus scanner or firewall program on my computer and have only gotten one virus. The trick? Don't go to websites you don't know, don't click on stupid email links, and don't run programs you didn't get from valid places. The virus I did get was a horrible little bugger and due to a security flaw in Windows. I simply re-installed my OS and everything was fine. Also, be sure you turn on automatic updates (and installation of them) in Windows.

This doesn't excuse RO for not working with ZoneAlarm, it's simply my opinion.

**Faultline** · 03-27-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Tzefanya

ZoneAlarm is a not a very good piece of software. In my opinion, it's crap. I have never ran a virus scanner or firewall program on my computer and have only gotten one virus. The trick? Don't go to websites you don't know, don't click on stupid email links, and don't run programs you didn't get from valid places. The virus I did get was a horrible little bugger and due to a security flaw in Windows. I simply re-installed my OS and everything was fine. Also, be sure you turn on automatic updates (and installation of them) in Windows.

This doesn't excuse RO for not working with ZoneAlarm, it's simply my opinion.

While it's true that some very basic steps that you mention can keep some of the nastiest malware off your PC, just connecting to the internet without any shields whatsoever will have you infected in minutes. Port scanning happens CONSTANTLY across all networks by other PC's that are infected. They want you to join them in their sickness, and without putting up some defensive measures, you will get something.

Ok, sorry to go OT. I think we all agree that ZA and RO should be living in harmony

**fldash** · 03-27-2006, 03:47 PM

My PC is connected to the internet 24 hours a day 7 days a week through Cox cable. It's never shut-off. I have no firewall and like I said, I don't get infected. Like we said, ZA and RO should still be able to live in harmony.

**Faultline** · 03-27-2006, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Tzefanya

My PC is connected to the internet 24 hours a day 7 days a week through Cox cable. It's never shut-off. I have no firewall and like I said, I don't get infected. Like we said, ZA and RO should still be able to live in harmony.

Are you behind a router? I hope so.

I'm not trying to split hairs with you but test after tests I've read reveal that plugging up on the internet "naked" will get you infected in a very short time. Infected doesn't necessarily mean serious malware, but malware nonetheless.

My definition of malware may be pretty broad but I would think any type of spyware, adware, virus, trojan, etc. should fall into this category. I'd be interested to see what some scans would turn up on your system.

**fldash** · 03-27-2006, 05:33 PM

No firewall or router. The key is not having any open ports which is simply fixable my making sure your PC is up-to-date with the latest patches/fixes and not running any software that you don't know fully what it does. I'm very aware of every application that is running on my PC at every second. I use process managers and the like to make sure I'm not running anything I shouldn't be. Only once have I gotten a bug and it's when there was a security flaw in Windows XP that wasn't patched in time. I've worked as a senior technician at a major fortune 500 company for 6 years and only recently moved over to application development at that same company.

**Faultline** · 03-27-2006, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tzefanya

No firewall or router. The key is not having any open ports which is simply fixable my making sure your PC is up-to-date with the latest patches/fixes and not running any software that you don't know fully what it does. I'm very aware of every application that is running on my PC at every second. I use process managers and the like to make sure I'm not running anything I shouldn't be. Only once have I gotten a bug and it's when there was a security flaw in Windows XP that wasn't patched in time. I've worked as a senior technician at a major fortune 500 company for 6 years and only recently moved over to application development at that same company.

Ok, ok...I believe you...

Seriously, I didn't realize you could close off all your ports like that. That in itself is pretty much a firewall though right?

*Follow me to the land of off topic...I will take you there!

**CingularDuality** · 03-28-2006, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Tzefanya

ZoneAlarm is a not a very good piece of software. In my opinion, it's crap. I have never ran a virus scanner or firewall program on my computer and have only gotten one virus. The trick? Don't go to websites you don't know, don't click on stupid email links, and don't run programs you didn't get from valid places. The virus I did get was a horrible little bugger and due to a security flaw in Windows. I simply re-installed my OS and everything was fine. Also, be sure you turn on automatic updates (and installation of them) in Windows.

ZoneAlarm is an excellent application-based software firewall. It's superb at what it's designed to do. Granted, software firewalls are very limited, but combined with my router, I think it's sufficient for my PC, which is used by other people that might not be as savvy about not going to shady websites...

This doesn't excuse RO for not working with ZoneAlarm, it's simply my opinion.

Damn right it doesn't.... <still fuming>

**Trooper** · 03-28-2006, 10:39 AM

http://www.redorchestragame.com/foru...ead.php?t=5090

hopefully that will shut you guys up

**CingularDuality** · 04-11-2006, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Trooper[SNPR]

http://www.redorchestragame.com/foru...ead.php?t=5090

hopefully that will shut you guys up

I posted in that thread that it didn't help me. Anyone heard anything else about them fixing their game?

**Faultline** · 04-11-2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I posted in that thread that it didn't help me. Anyone heard anything else about them fixing their game?

The thread has been updated:

UPDATED DETAILS, April 3rd:
Zonelabs have acknowledged that the problem lies with them, not with RO.
It is now with their second line support.
It is an issue they have introduced with Release 6 (in general).
They are having the issue with other software (no, they won't tell me which - and frankly, I don't care).
They now believe they understand the problem, because the RO community has been able to provide them with the info they needed to find the problem.
Last I heard (Saturday 1st April - no joking) was that they expect to have it fixed in the next release - but no ETA on that yet. I'm waiting to hear.
What we do know is that do ing the full reinstall works for SOME people. Dropping back to Release 5 also seems to work (and confirms what Zonelabs have said about the problem being introduced at Release 6).

THERE IS STILL NOTHING TRIPWIRE CAN DO ABOUT THIS. THE ISSUE REQUIRES RESOLUTION FROM ZONELABS, TO FIX ZONEALARM RELEASE 6.

Hopefully we'll see a fix in the next release of ZA.

Until then...

**CingularDuality** · 04-11-2006, 01:28 PM

This guy seems to be on the ball, and evidently Valve has contacted him to use his fix in their next patch.

http://www.redorchestragame.com/foru...?t=5090&page=4

Originally Posted by kAMIKAZE

Hi,

I'm using Zone Alarm 6.1.744.001 and I found the origin of the BSOD problem in Steamdvr.sys. Although the error originated in Steamdvr.sys. Steamdvr.sys did not generate any error message. When the wrong information was passed from Steamdvr.sys to vsdatant.sys. The wrong information caused a loop inside vsdatant.sys to corrupt surrounding memory. Hence the BSOD. So the BSOD points vsdatant.sys as the culprit.

I patched Steamdvr.sys to prove my point. I tested the patched Steamdvr.sys and I didn't get any BSOD anymore. But when I reached the main menu of Red Orchestra and clicked Multiplayer, my computer froze.

So more testing.

Update:

I tried Practice and it seems fine. I can walk. No freezing. I can fire and reload my weapon. I can drive a vehicle.

I tried Multiplayer again and a Zone Alarm security alert appeared with the Allow/Deny buttons. I can't select Allow since my keyboard and mouse froze.

I opened Zone Alarm Control Panel and went to Programs and set the Red Orchestra program permissions to allow for both Access and Server. I tried Multiplayer again and it works!!!

Attached is the patched Steamdvr.sys for those who want to try it out. Download the attachment SteamDVR.zip and unzip it. Go to C:\Program Files\Steam\bin\x86. In x86 folder, rename the original Steamdvr.sys and copy the patched Steamdvr.sys to this folder. I have tested this only for Zone Alarm 6.1.744.001. As usual your mileage may vary.

Have fun fragging.

And this type of attitude disgusts me:

Originally Posted by [RO]Ramm-Jaeger

Steamdvr.sys is a Steam file not a Red Orchestra file. So first off the crash has absolutely NOTHING to do with Red Orchestra outside of the fact that RO needs Steam to run. Additionally, Valve traced the Zone Alarm crash to a file in ZoneAlarm, and ZoneLabs freely admits the problem is thiers and is working on a fix. So for petes sake stop looking for conspiracy theories because there is none. RO is not at fault whatsoever, Steam is doing perfectly legit file system management, and Zone Alarm is overstepping its boundaries as a program by jacking with files in memory.

The Tripwire developers should be apologizing to all the people that they ripped off, not berating them. RO IS at fault, in that they sold me a game that doesn't work with a very common application. Their product is unusable to me, and yet, they have my money.

I can say this, I don't think I'll ever buy anything made by TripWire ever again, and I think I'm going to encourage others to not give them business either. This defensive attitude exhibited by Mr. RammJaeger is only going to hurt the public's perception of TripWire.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Faultline

The thread has been updated:

Hopefully we'll see a fix in the next release of ZA.

Until then...

Funny... We see TripWire pointing the finger at ZoneLabs, and saying that ZoneLabs has admitted it's their problem, but ZoneLabs hasn't admitted such a thing publically and now it's turning out to be a bug with Steam that's causing it?

Whether it's laziness to check all of these things before releasing the game, or simply outright lies, it's certainly bad business.

Mr. Wilson, I hope you are reading this, even if you don't respond here.

**|Pz505|Heinz** · 04-11-2006, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Well, I've never been able to play it, for the same reason, so...

I've just written it off as another crappy game from another crappy developer. Glad it didn't cost much...

that is not very reasonable. the game works for so many people, and because it conflicts with some free-ware, it's a "crappy game form a crappy developer"?? that's just not a reasonable statement.

As far as firewall protection & conflicts, it works fine with Norton Internet Security. So what's the problem, the game or the other software?

EDIT: posted a response to the top of the page, d/n see the follow ups. It's completely absurd for a company to have to anticipate all possible conflicts out there. And that's with legitimate programs, not some free-ware.

**CingularDuality** · 04-12-2006, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by |Pz505|Heinz

As far as firewall protection & conflicts, it works fine with Norton Internet Security. So what's the problem, the game or the other software?
...It's completely absurd for a company to have to anticipate all possible conflicts out there. And that's with legitimate programs, not some free-ware.

We're not talking about freeware. We're talking about the most popular software firewall in the world. ZoneAlarm is a program that many of us have paid for. To not have worked out any compatability issues with a piece of software THAT common is just silly...

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