Originally Posted by Zoopy

WAR is more polished and more focused then Age of Conan seems to be. The WAR Beta was more stable then Age Of Conan after 4 months.

Originally Posted by Mixa

Fact is that mythic dropped out much of content because they didn't want to release game half ready, even as dropping things out gives you feeling of this. And of course AoC has currently better system working, WAR hasn't been even released yet and there is no way all bugs / glitches can be sorted out in beta phase...

Reason why people may think AoC isn't fully ready is that it got many reviews saying that it gives you feeling of something missing etc.

And also right now it isn't really possible AoC and WAR, almost no1 here at forum has played BOTH of them, and don't say AoC is more challenging and more next-gen, that will piss off many WAR fans
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More about this after OB!

Originally Posted by Gambit7

Eh... no. AoC is perfectly stable for me right now. Granted, I built my rig for this game and I know how to tweak the settings. Polish-wise? heck no. WAR is missing a hell of a lot right now, definitely a lot more than AoC (which has been out longer). WAR beta was also wrought with mem. leaks. They dont hurt as much because it's a smaller game, but they're still there. And dont get me started on the missing animations, sounds, and lack of particle effects.

I wouldnt say it's more polished... more PLAYABLE in a majority-sense for the userbase, yes.

But hey, we're comparing apples to oranges here. 2 totally different games. But regardless, AoC has the advantage of being further along in development and bug testing... and it shows if you get real deep into things.

I just hope Mythic doesnt drop the ball with this game. It seems like they wont, but I'm a cynic these days. I'd like to see it succeed.

So, if you want a WoW type game but dont like WoW, than WAR is for you... especially if you dig the RvR aspect and learn to grow with it (RvR CAN get old for some people if they dont get deep into the process). If you want something different, prettier graphics, more twitch, maybe more challenging and more next-gen, then AoC is for you.

Knowing me... I'll probably end up playing both
I'll decide after this next beta push. Granted, I still intend to get deep into Spore in a few weeks. And I WILL be playing Champions Online, Jumpgate, and STO. (down the road) And dont forget about The Agency and Black Prophecy. Oh... and Aion and Chronicles of Spellborn. Oh, and the CoH expansion (which lets you make your own missions).

Originally Posted by L10N

Real deep aye?
Sieges- absolutely bug ridden and broken, many pvp guilds have quit because of this, granted they claim the next patch will fix that

Raids- funcom gm's have told multiple raid guilds across the servers to not even bother because many raids are either broken and undoable or won't complete properly

Pvp- Class balance is crap and there are so many disabling cc's (stuns, fears, mezs) that it is more of a quick draw than a test of skill

High level dungeons- Have you met jesus scorpion in the scorpion cave? He is a normal scorpion that pulses 1000-1500 holy damage every few seconds. High level dungeons are almost impossible without two healers and a tank specced soldier.

Class skills- Every class has multiple abilites in their skill tree that are either not working or are so weak you are laughed at if you take them, many of these have been this way since open beta. This is one of the prime reasons dt's are bad right now.

Stability- 64 bit systems and many high end systems won't have issues, but I know way more people who have regular crashes than people who rarely crash, in war closed beta I had semi frequent crashes but open was almost rock solid.

I am not saying war is leaps and bounds ahead of aoc or anything but aoc still needs some parts for the car before they can even get to polishing.

On the subject of aoc combat, I do believe it has taken a step forward, but without some better class balance and the need for spellcasters to actually use a new system too. It feels like more of a bonus feature than a real change.

Originally Posted by Gambit7

Most of these problems are apparent in WAR as well. Only WAR has not even released yet, this is my point. There are growing pains it's going to go through, so those who play it, just like those who play AoC will HAVE to be patient.

As for PvP and endgame raiding. AoC is fixing PvP today and next week (including sieges). These are not SMALL fixes, they're huge - and they're adding content. (like an improved mercenary and fugitive system). Endgame raids arent "broken." They're just REALLY hard, as AoC is in general. Hack'n'slash guilds get pwned and complain. You have to have your crap together or you're wasting your time. Just like in Endgame WoW... there's a progression you must follow and a tactical/strategic proficiency you must have.

Again, this is why I recommend WAR for people who dont have the patience, rig, or skillset to deal with AoCs difficulty. WAR is a very "relaxing" game you can play for hours and not feel drained.

Originally Posted by Gambit7

WoW (warcraft) is actually Warhammer in ancient times. Warhammer is actually Warhammer 40k in ancient times. They're all a part of the same expanding storyline. The Lore is ridiculously deep, which is reflected in the Compendium you flesh out in WAR.

One of the best things about WAR IMO is the Compendium. Matter of fact, it was my favorite element. It's kind of like an everexpanding codex of knowledge that opens up dependant on how far you get in the game with literally ANY kind of accomplishment you can think of (even opening your character sheet 100 times). There's a story behind every little thing.

So if you like to read. WAR is your game.

Note: WAR is a good game, dont get me wrong. (I actually liked the game a lot, despite its flaws) But, I'm not losing faith in AoC as being the next step in MMO development with regards to hardcore fantasy-style tactical combat. And technically, AoC (since it's had more time) is and will be a more polished product. WAR will NOT release finished, I guarantee you that.

Important (almost forgot):
If someone wishes to take up the TG mantle in WAR, I will donate an already paid for guild management site from Dkpsystem.com. Currently, dkpsystems is gearing up to support WAR fully, since WAR accepts mods similar to how WoW does. AoC does not allow this type of modding for the simple reason it's more of a skill based PvP system, so the site is near useless. We're also supposed to be moving to a dedicated site so we can custom built our raid manager, so I'll have the dkpsystems site doing nothing basically (when the new site is finished). The system is fully template moddable and easy to use (just point and clicks). And like I said, you'll be able to just plug in mods right into the site (for gear tracking, raid managment, pvp tracking, stat tracks, etc.) If you want to check it out: arstactika.dkpsystem.com If you guys use it I can easily change the subdomain to whatever you name the guild, like: tg.dkpsystem.com. In addition to this, I'm going to have the Tabula Rasa forum archived since that game is going nowhere... so there will be a "slot" for a Warhammer forum if there's enough TG support.

Ideally, if you DO build a TG guild... you'd start when the OB begins on Sept. 7th. Have the dkpsystem site up to start organizing PQs and RvR nites, etc. and solidify your release playerbase so it's easier to attract new guildies. I'll be on the OB to help out if someone wants to do it. Spulat? u game? Anyone? Bueller??

Originally Posted by Pablo

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