CingularDuality

Found this on another forum:

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Good paper, though its worth noting that he requested a beat in the ghetto to experience the worst treatment available to police.

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=DdogG=

I do think that both parties were wrong in the skater encounter video.

The cop is a bully.

The kids are punks.

If my kids ever address ANY adult as 'dude', I will knock their teeth down their throat. There is a total disconnect in current society from respect and manners. Regardless of the cop's issues, a child should be submissive - not argumentative. I guarantee these kids act this way at home and the parents allow it. If the parents were doing their job, the kids would never have been in the situation to begin with, because they would have apologized for not hearing instead of getting defensive.

the entire situation would have been moot with a "I'm sorry. I did not hear you. I will stop. Is there some place close by that we can skate?"

In any conflict - whether you are right or wrong - apologizing will disarm the other party and usually make you the one who is 'right'.

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Fenian420

lol Californians and Texans are raised a bit differently too though... Whereas some parts in Texas it might be completely uncalled for to call an adult "dude" at the age of 14, its somewhat normal in California, it really just matters on what side of the country your from and the way your parents raise you/people in your city/area act like.

SharinganTH1422

Yh I saw that too yesterday when I watched the other one.

I'm not a skater, in fact I've argued/fought with many. But I really don't care who it is, what the guy did was wrong, end of. Pompous? Why exactly? They did stop. Sure they didn't call him "sir", but is that enough to will get your stuff taken, put to the floor and screamed at in public?

Ridiculous? If you're talking about the nature of the rant, yes. If you're talking about the content and my opinions on officer dumbass and the situation, then no. Mind clarifying? And again, you're attacking me and not attacking the post. I can see exactly what type of person you think I am from your (and others) responses to my post. Calling a teenager a druggie where I live is pointing out the obvious, until you know who I am and what situation I'm in, you can't really judge me.

Again...appreciate cops that do it for the right reasons, do not appreciate this one, who resembles the majority (all of them actually...) I've met.

Again, I just really can't see what they did wrong. Lets' review: (I'm gonna edit out the unnecessaries )

Note, the guy never addressed him as dude before he took his skateboard, so that's a non-issue. Also, I really don't see any overt disrespect, no worse than you get in everyday life. If you're saying that my reaction to this event was an over-reaction, you need to look at the skitzo reaction of the cop you're defending.

There is also a total stereotype that all kids are moody, immature, disrespectful and pot-smoking, and we're treated like badly too - partly because of these stereotypes, but we survive and don't whine about it. "Submissive." Correct me if I'm wrong, but your "great country" (note, I'm not dissing your country, I'm quoting because of the fact that 9/10 Americans call it "this great country") was built on the ideas of liberty and freedom, fighting against the imposing British for your independence. I expect your "forefathers" would kick your ass for submitting to the abusive powers that be.

Maybe I'm just good at this reading people thing, it seems obvious to me, but the fact that he doesn't want to tell the guy where he lives right away (therefore doesn't want his mum involved) shows that his mum probably does come down on him.

(P.S. - Parent (singular) - Kid says he doesn't have a father...)

Also, I'm not sure what part of what he said was defensive. Just because the cop screams something loud enough, doesn't make it true.

He says "OK." He also says "I didn't hear you." He didn't even bother the obviously very busy man with questions about where to skate. The only thing he didn't do was apologise. Are you saying it was right for the guy to do what he did because he didn't say sorry? I don't even see the need to apologise. He didn't know, and then he stopped doing whatever it was he was doing that was against the law. That shows me the cop has an ego that he likes massaged by scared civilians if that's the case. I've read a story of someone on here (I won't name them - sorry if you're identified) for F-ing in front of a policeman. Is it the law to apologise for everything you do that you didn't know was a problem?

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I don't think you are particularly good at this reading people thing. I think you are reading what you want into it. I think the kid was scared. I wouldn't tell someone where I lived if they were sitting on my neck either. using the single parent situation as an argument doesn't hold water (nor have any effect on the conversation really). the point I am trying to make is that regardless of where you live or how you were raised, a CHILD should never talk to ANY ADULT as an equal. 60 years ago, you would be hit by every adult in earshot and then beat when you got home.

I never said the cop was right, but your continuation of extremely defending the kids and total blame of the cop is troubling.

Society is neutering parents by using "positive reinforcement" and "timeout" as behavior modifications. These do not work.

Almost any person enlisting in the armed forces comes out a better person because of discipline, not time outs. Drill Sergeants beat the rebellion out of them.

I know you are a kid and think I am wrong, I did when I was a teenager. When you grow up and have children - if you care how they turn out - you will reevaluate your views.

The kids in the video were wrong from the start because:
1) they acted like they had the right to be there doing what they were doing.
2) they were confrontational when approached.
3) they were disrespectful and argumentative.

those things don't fly, and when anyone in authority feels that their authority is being questioned or challenged, they will reinforce their authority ever stronger until the submissive party finally submits.

I do not allow my children to talk to adults as an equal, and if the rest of the planet taught respect to their children, then maybe there would not be the stereotype you mentioned. The problem is that there is a large segment of the population who do allow their children to run wild, and therefore people expect children to act wild... and a good portion of the time, they do. Youtube is the window to look through if you need proof. there are fights and vandalism all over the place. these kids ARE that stereotype.

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TheSkudDestroyer

"well I don't have a father..."

That's backtalk.

And you know, as an 18 year old in the states, I can say that way too many kids (we're talking 30-50%) are dumb, arrogant, moody, narrow minded, egotistical and generally disrespectful.

They shout in public, they curse no matter who's around, they are rude to absolute strangers, they glorify violence, they're ignorant on local, social, political, and just about every other issue.

Just walking home from school "normal" kids from my school do the worst and most disrespectful things I've witnessed in public. Besides always managing to either HONK, rev their engines really loud, speed by you, and practically hit you, kids have always managed to take the time to yell something profane or rude while passing by. They've even gone so far to spit at people. These kind of things would happen once a week.

I don't know what their parents are doing wrong - my parents sure as hell didnt raise me right and I'm fine. I've never done drugs - EVER. I've never had a run in with the cops, I've kept good grades, and I've always stayed out of trouble.

"I don't have a father..."

He's just a little ungreatful brat.

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No matter what you think of those kids and their behavior, nothing they did warranted violence or any sort of physical contact.

They may have been skate boarding illegally (which is a ridiculous issue in and of itself) but what you're saying is tantamount to it being ok for an officer to wrestle someone out of a car for saying 'thanks dude' after being issued a seat belt ticket.

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That noob who crashed the chopper.
That noob who ran over the mine.
That noob who TK'd me with a sniper rifle.
That noob who hit that APC at 300m with light AT! Our APC...

=DdogG=

no one said that.

What I am saying however, is that if the kids had any respect of even common sense, they could have diffused the idiot cop.

I said the cop was wrong. I also said the kids made things blow up.

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BeSiege82

I want to add to this conversation. I am not sure if you can appreciate the sad fact of where that percent of ignorant meat-sacks go-- state correctional facilities.

Those meat-sacks become guards, and they can be dirty, with power to do whatever. Now I am not saying we should not have guards or brute strength in our jails, but it is scary if they are bad. In that entire department in my state the crap goes to the top. The leader also came from my district.

I could say more, but I should not because of the possible repercussions made by that depart influencing mine.

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I hate cops because they keep eating donuts and get fat XD

CingularDuality

My comments were directed at your post, not you, not the situation in the video. At your post. Would you like me to say it a few more times? My comments were directed at your post. Immature, drug-induced (by your words, not mine), irrational, illogical, emotional, I could go on and on about how your post presented no valid argument. We all saw the video, where it's obvious that the police officer overstepped the bounds of decency. He's probably not going to be a cop much longer because of it. What, exactly, is your point? That you hate cops because you think they're all like this guy?

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Note that firstly, this is not 60 years ago. Times have changed, and kids are given a bit more freedom and equality as adults by law, and I have heard a lot about how children were treated as you have said. I'll admit that quite a lot of kids can't handle that responsibility, because of the lack of life experience we have, but the ones that spend enough time out learn how to live and how the real world works, a lot earlier than most other people. I wouldn't personally show a policeman attitude - simply because it makes my life easier - but if he's giving it to me, I wouldn't appreciate that either. However, I wouldn't physically do something about it unless they did something like the guy in this video.

Also, I'm not sure why I don't get this thing about the kids being disrespectful. Maybe it's a cultural thing, maybe I didn't hear what the kids said properly on the video, I dunno, but I didn't hear/see any overt disrespect, or anything I would deem inappropriate to say to anyone, and I don't think anyone I know would think the kid was being disrespectful either. Besides, even if the kid was a bit disrespectful, doesn't warrant anything the guy did.

Well I can't really see what the kids did wrong.

I agree with you here.

Most kids who are properly British - white, and who have had been in England for a good many generations now - usually don't get beaten at home, and have pretty laid back parenting.

However, I live in an area that's got "average joe's" in minority, very few white people, including myself; my parents have migrated to Britain, and in the country where my parents originated from, parents beat their kids, and I'm no different. Most of my friends also have/had the same experience at home, since they are of a similar culture, but obviously, not all the parents are like this, but the majority are. Usually, the kids that were not/do not get set straight by their parents, because their grandparents are migrants, but their parents themselves were raised in Britain, and have a more "British" way of thinking, and these kids do get away with a ridiculous amount.

(100% true)

I'm a better person for how my parents raise(d) me, it definitely hardens you up, but at the same time I've seen a lot from both sides of the spectrum and some of the people I know who are most into gang culture have the strictest home life, I think mainly because of the thing about being hardened up at such a young age.

I'm not really sure what you're referring to here...


1) They complied when the guy said stop skating.
2) The kid said "What?" Then "Yeah", then "OK I didn't hear you," then "Yh...well I don't have a father," then "Me...I didn't do anything." Please point out the confrontation...
3) Same as above...I really don't see it.

I don't need proof, I've got a better window than Youtube to look at vandalism and fights, in fact, it's right next to me and it's made of glass. But I'm not sure if you should be looking at Youtube to find out what most kids are like. It would be as silly as watching FOX News or CNN to find out the news.

The guy said "don't give me backtalk" when the kid had only said, "What," "Yeah," and "OK I didn't hear you."

And even that is the most minor backtalk I've ever heard in my life, and didn't warrant anything the kid got at all.

I'll agree with that. In fact, 90% of my friends would fall into some of those categories, and I may fall into a few, but most of these things are pretty much a non-issue, it's the norm TBH, just everyday stuff. I'm closer to the 10% anyway.

Want a medal?

My point is that I saw a fair few posts on here defending the guy, and I wanted to hear from them and what possible reason they might have. I just started writing, and it just ended up as a very large post.

On cops in general, I don't really have much of a problem with them to be honest, except that none of them have seemed like they were doing their job for the right reasons, and this guy just showed that point in black and white. I also said I appreciate ones that do, but I've never met one personally.

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TheSkudDestroyer

No - no medal.

But what the hell makes kids into rejects in the first place? They have food, school, shelter, and clothing. If they don't have those things, I certainly understand.

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