Just G

Thanks for clarifying, now please excuse me while I crawl back under my rock

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No problem - misunderstanding's happen when it's just words off a page, no harm done.

Glad I could clear this up, just in case anyone else got the same idea from this.

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chris934

Ill tell you why i hate cops. The police in this country are trained to get you to unknowingly give up your civil rights. tricking you into an un-lawfull search of your car. Confusing interview tactics used by "detectives". the list goes on and on. Im 19, and the police in my city (i live in a suburb of Detroit) assume teenagers are all breaking the law. In a nation that had more then 10,000 homicides last year where do police get off harrasing nonviolent people? We need to wake up and hold the police and the courts responsible for doing their job. It still says "to protect and serve" doesnt it? THis is a country that i supposed to guarantee freedom for all men not "the man"

and on a completly different note R.I.P George Carlin, fighting for free speech and expression for over 70 years. "Just tell the cop 'your a public servant...get me a glass of water!'"

Magnum50

I just jumped back in here to see why this thread is still going strong, lol, and had to answer this last post...

Chris...

1. Excuse me, that is the cops job to get you, a potential criminal, to admit or provide evidence that you did something wrong, it's called police work... how would any crime get solved if the cop simple was allowed only to ask "did you do it?" and if you said NO, then end of interview.

The best thing to do as a citizen is to know your rights and properly envoke them, a good cop will not "cross the line" to get false evidence or a false statement.

Note two key words in the above... properly and good.

2. "Harrasing non-violent people"? Do the violent ones wear a sign that says "I'm violent, be careful"? No, how the hell is a cop suppose to know who is a good guy or a bad guy, a victim or a subject. Exspecially when arriving on a call where everyone is saying the other person is the bad guy, and there just victims.

3. "Hold the police responsible in doing there job", I like to know what you, "a 19 year old living in a suburb of Detroit", think the job of the police is...please tell.

I orginally posted this question long ago because of some anti-cop discussions that kept popping up, I learned alot from the responses and thank the people who responded with good info and a open mind. I learned that we as cops need to always remember to treat people with respect, even the criminals to a degree, while still maintaining officer safety. It seems the number 1 complaint is "attitude", so we got to control that and present ourselfs properly and respectfully, while still doing our job.

I also learned that a small percentage of you, hate cops for no just reason, and no matter what we, the cops, did or do will ever change that... oh well...

I also learned that most confrontations seem to be from a lack of respect IN BOTH DIRECTIONS... How do you think you should be treated when you answer in a disrepectful way "**** no, I know my rights you aint searching ****!"
Respect goes both ways...

and finally, for those of you not totally blinded with hatred, think about what a cop that don't know you, don't know your friends, don't know if you got the good guy sign on or the bad guy sign on you is thinking and going through before passing judgement.

You know the saying, walk a mile in the other mans shoes, in this case my MAGNUM 1/4 ankle HiTech Boots.

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Drizzid

There is no "tricking" about it. It is YOUR job to know what YOUR civil rights are, it's not the police"s job to inform of what your civil rights are. In fact some states agencies tell you what your rights are.... They are called MIRANDA RIGHTS and they read them to you before you are questioned explaining to you what your rights are before questioning you in which you have the choice to deny those said rights at that time.

Ignorance is no excuse!!! If you don't want to give up your own civil rights then take the time to read them and learn them, that way you don't have to be worried about a police officer "tricking" you.

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I agree, RIP...loved the mans comedy... but just FYI, theres a video or two of him getting stopped by the police, totally respectful and polite... respect both ways... point is, it's comedy with a point... not meant to be some rule to live by... because if you asked me to get you a glass of water, I'd give you the bottle of water, along with the 200 dollar speeding ticket... respect both ways.

and I'd walk away smiling.

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Drizzid

G why do I have such a hard time imagining a proper speaking Englishman saying "Ain"t"!!LOL!!! Good to see your still alive Mate!!!

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chris934

Wow i guess ill have to make a list to respond properly.

1."its your job to know your rights"
Agreed. It is our job to know our rights in order to be effective and responsible citizens, but it is also the job of the police to uphold our constitution . When the police use scare tactics(you have to let me search your car or i will bring in the dogs and they will tear it up) to deny people (even suspects cause we are all innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law) there right to due process they are not upholding the constitution.

2. "violent people dont wear a sign around there neck"
....also true. But when i said "non-violent" i meant people accused of a non violent crime(ie some kid with a little bag of pot, someone loitering). The police have decided that it is there job to arrest as many people as possible, and will go out of there way to disrupt the lives of non violent and lawabiding people inorder to reach some imaginary level of incarcerations that will end crime.

3. "i would like to know what a 19 year old living in a suburb of detroit thinks the job of the police is"
The job of the police is to prevent crime. But when your methods of "preventing" ( cause all those prisons really helped our crime problem right?) crime are criminal and unethical you are only contributing to the problem.

4."also learned that most confrontations seem to be from a lack of respect IN BOTH DIRECTIONS... How do you think you should be treated when you answer in a disrepectful way "**** no, I know my rights you aint searching ****!"
Respect goes both ways..."
So what you are saying is that the law only applies if you think someone is respectfull enough? Whats wrong with saying no if its lawfull?You say Respect should go both ways, but you get to make the standard cause you have a gun?

And finally chill out. The only reason i sai "i hate cops" so boldly without saying "but some are ok". Is Because the title of your thread made the assumption that i hated cops i guess i had to go along.

No hard feelings anyone. all of our opinions are allowed i was just giving mine. This country is sweet isnt it?

Magnum50

yes it is sweet... but I didn't know you wanted the "systems" answer, I thought maybe you wanted the truth, so I gave it to you... the system is not perfect, cops aren't perfect, I'm not perfect.

Most of your comments have nothing to do with the police, your problem seems to be with the courts and the laws, so change those, don't just blame cops...

"When the police use scare tactics(you have to let me search your car or i will bring in the dogs and they will tear it up) to deny people"... valid tactic, if your saying no then theres 2 reasons, 1) you got something to hide, or 2) It's your right... 20 plus years as a LEO has taught me 95% of the time it's number 1... we play the odds.

"But when i said "non-violent" i meant people accused of a non violent crime(ie some kid with a little bag of pot, someone loitering). The police have decided that it is there job to arrest as many people as possible, and will go out of there way to disrupt the lives of non violent and lawabiding people inorder to reach some imaginary level of incarcerations that will end crime." WOW, that is so over the top. Most cops do not want to arrest to much, tons of paperwork, and tons of court, hell we try and ****can more then arrest. A kid with a bag of weed, funny, I sure don't want that arrest, alot of paperwork, got to baby sit them for hours, have to contact parents, court, probation hearings etc etc... a pain... If under 5 grams and he's not a smartass dick, I simply call the parents to pick him up. Your way off on that comment, but typical thinking for a teenager.

"So what you are saying is that the law only applies if you think someone is respectfull enough? Whats wrong with saying no if its lawfull?You say Respect should go both ways, but you get to make the standard cause you have a gun?" HUH? Cops are human, if theres respect then good chance of a warning, If dis-respectful then a citation or arrest... your choice, and mine... you decide how you want the experience to go.

Chill? isn't this the purpose of the thread.

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I think the real problem is that people don't have an actual understanding of their civil liberties or miranda rights.

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Just G

Proper speaking.......Im from North London bruv

Thanks mate, deleting WOW had something to do with suddenly coming back to life

Until I actually watched this film on Dont Talk To Police I must admit I never totally understood what was being said to you guys, when read your Miranda rights, but after watching that short film, I have a better understanding of why people who have done nothing wrong, "Plead the 5th!"

Drizzid

Again I think this is an incorrect assumption. It isn't the police's job to uphold the constitution. It is the police's job to protect and serve the community and the people within that community. Police officers are the law enforcers not the law makers. They put their lives on the line to uphold those laws. It is every citizens of the USA to uphold the constitution. Unfortunately in the past few years to many people have been using the constitution to try and force their opinions and beliefs by trying to change the constitution to support their beliefs and opinions.

Chris there is nothing wrong with having an opinion and believe it or not I do respect that you do have and opinion even though I don't agree with it.

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chris934

Another list seems appropriate

1 "Most cops do not want to arrest to much, tons of paperwork, and tons of court, hell we try and ****can more then arrest. A kid with a bag of weed, funny, I sure don't want that arrest, alot of paperwork, got to baby sit them for hours, have to contact parents, court, probation hearings etc etc... a pain..." But you said before that you enjoyed "busting heads" and chasing criminals and arresting them. Why do you change your opinion. Is it because my argument was too awsome maybe?

2."HUH? Cops are human, if theres respect then good chance of a warning, If dis-respectful then a citation or arrest... your choice, and mine... you decide how you want the experience to go." You didnt even answer my question. I want to know who gets to make the standard of respect. and if its you then why?

3."if your saying no then theres 2 reasons, 1) you got something to hide, or 2) It's your right... 20 plus years as a LEO has taught me 95% of the time it's number 1... we play the odds." So because you have a hunch i dont have any rights? it seems to be a typical response of police to think that they decide when laws and rights apply and when they dont.

4."It isn't the police's job to uphold the constitution. It is the police's job to protect and serve the community and the people within that community. Police officers are the law enforcers not the law makers. They put their lives on the line to uphold those laws."
ITs the job of the police to uphold the law and the constitution is the highest form of law. If we dont care how the police do there jobs then why dont we just have a dictatorship?

Im not trying to piss people off to much so dont take offense. but this is probably the only chance ill have to tell a cop what i think without getting tazered or arrested.

Delta*RandyShugart*

Are you a cop? if not, then don't act that you know what cops want and don't want. You probably are pissed that cop broke up your keg party you were having in the woods this fourth of july.
Chris, obviously you feel very strongly about disliking the police, or better yet you probably don't get along with your parents that well at this age if they try to invoke you with a curfew. The thing is, why are you so hostile?
Do you think you could do better honestly?

Have you ever pulled someone over in the middle of the night on a desolate road, only to have a shots fired at you? I haven't but I know someone who has, and i know a police officer who ran through backyards and neighborhoods in Ronkonkoma Long Island chasing after a drug dealer only to tear his ACL after jumping over the 5th fence, grabbing the guy, throwing him down while, the dealer tried to stab him, and then when my friend used some force to get the weapon out of his hand that, the criminal said that he used excessive force.

Chris, maybe you are at the age where "i hate everyone including my parents" but lighten up a bit, get with it, unless you are sitting on a trust fund, develop some new invention, or win the lottery after you get out of college, you are most likely going to have a boss telling you what to do. The police do a great job, like in most things you only really hear about the bad things that happen, and that happens in the small percentage bracket.

Maybe next time, you see an officer just say thank you, or thanks for doing your job. It can go a long way on both sides. I live in the suburbs of NYC and work in NYC and saying nice job, or thanks for all the hard work is a good thing to say to a police or fireman.

Look at things on their side before you start broiling them. They are protecting you, and serving your community.

* I am not in law enforcement, but i know many who are, and one of my very good friends is a federal air marshal, now if you give those guys any crap whatsoever on a flight, and they don't shoot you then consider yourself for that moment the luckiest person in the world who gets to live another day, though you will probably be in jail for more than one day*

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