Ok, why do YOU hate the cops... - Page 25

**peardog** · 07-11-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnum50

thx... heck thats alot of cop contact you had so far, lol...

Mag..you kill me.. I was thinking the same thing... LoL.. !! Either bad location or Cop Instinct... Only time will tell..eh?

Fenian420 · 07-11-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch

Was this legal use of police power?
Evicting and ticketing a person at a public venue for holding a sign that says "McCain=Bush"?

Was she disturbing the peace?

Also, the guy in the bad suit said that the secret service instructed him to ask her to leave -- they deny it hard core. They already got in trouble for that a few times.

Also also, the officers were not being **** heads or ******** in the slightest -- but if this was truely a public event and they enforced her eviction it's dispicable.

Another reason why I say it truely matters on the cop, cant say all are bad or all are good. Kind of reminds me of that Immortal Technique song "The 4th Branch" (language if your gonna youtube it or something).

When people doing their "job" like these cops escorting the woman out of the building it also kind of reminds me of the Nazi Trials with people saying stuff like "Oh, I was only doing my job, if it wasn't me it'd only be someone else" it really does just disgust me. It definitely is entirely different if it was a private place opposed to a public event but either way for someone to be removed from something that has to do with her own country is something that truely should not be tolerated. She was peaceful and everything not attracting attention or anything.

Also just disgusts me that websites like these even exist: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...in-imagery.htm (was bored for awhile reading about Jenin, so just thought I'd throw that in there reminding everyone this is their country thats providing sites like that one)

Drizzid · 07-11-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenian420

Another reason why I say it truely matters on the cop, cant say all are bad or all are good. Kind of reminds me of that Immortal Technique song "The 4th Branch" (language if your gonna youtube it or something).

When people doing their "job" like these cops escorting the woman out of the building it also kind of reminds me of the Nazi Trials with people saying stuff like "Oh, I was only doing my job, if it wasn't me it'd only be someone else" it really does just disgust me. It definitely is entirely different if it was a private place opposed to a public event but either way for someone to be removed from something that has to do with her own country is something that truely should not be tolerated. She was peaceful and everything not attracting attention or anything.

Also just disgusts me that websites like these even exist: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...in-imagery.htm (was bored for awhile reading about Jenin, so just thought I'd throw that in there reminding everyone this is their country thats providing sites like that one)

Agreed this is definitely an infringement on that womans First Amendments Rights and I hope she finds a good lawyer to fight for that said right BUT come on you knew there was gonna be a BUT..... I doubt those officers were acting on their own accord. I am sure one of the higher ups was directing those actions. With all the politics/BS that go on in a police agency those officers didn't have much choice. Do what the higher up says or suffer the consequences of my wrath for the next year or longer if you don't...

**TheSkudDestroyer** · 07-11-2008, 10:19 PM

A edited video is not really PROOF of what happened. Who really knows. It's uncertain. I'd rather see the raw, unedited, 100% video. There's no proof in that video that she wasn't yelling or something before... Either way, full video would be better.

Global Security is not paid for or part of the US Government at all - it's an informational site. You could have gotten the same information/maps/aerial views if you were on GOOGLE MAPS.

I go there very often to read Army Field Manuals. I even have 6 of them in my favorites...

Fenian420 · 07-11-2008, 10:42 PM

Alright not paid for by the US Government but I bet it does receive a bit of aid from US Government politicians and workers and the fact that it says Global Security yet its intended as if the US is the global security also pisses me off a little.

And yea sure they might have some good articles on some things like Infantry manuals about how to clear houses and whatever (Don't really see how I'm ever going to need that info living in a city not under attack from any foreign enemy or anything but I guess still unneseccarily useful).
I don't know, I guess it just kind of creeps me out knowing that if some public website can get all the info and do stuff like this than whatever any government has/can do plus the benefits of having military and people to do whatever they want with then it almost makes them invincible to the point where not even their own people in their government would be able to overthrow them so it really has no limit of how far it can go.

If you've seen Lord of War or something like that (Nicholas Cage, guy goes selling firearms and everything all around the world) where the underdog highly illegal gun runner gets caught and then let off.. Things like that do happen but for just about anything, most of the thing that this country is against doing it does itself.. Politics truely is one of the dirtiest things ever,

And with the video.. In my mind I would rather be fired and forced to choose another career than make that arrest, and no of course we'll never find a full video to that but also kind of curious why I haven't seen any videos of that happening showing up in any media, bet it happens pretty frequently....

Drizzid · 07-12-2008, 12:53 AM

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And with the video.. In my mind I would rather be fired and forced to choose another career than make that arrest,

Easy to say but a whole lot different when you have a family to feed, clothes to put on your kids and a roof to keep over their head.

**P8riot** · 07-12-2008, 01:39 AM

OK LEOs.. change of subject.. inquiry.. curiosity.

In your cruiser.. what do you do? I mean on a boring day.. just cruising in traffic.

What screen do you have up on your computer? Do you actively but randomly just run tags to see what comes up? If it's a slow night or day do you just look for a place to hang out and do paperwork or do something else?

What tips you off that something just isn't right with a driver on the road? I am sure there is some pretty obvious stuff - but when nothing is obvious - what do you see? What do you 'feel'? Is it a gut thing?

I mean we see all kinds of stuff on COPS and stuff.. but what is a slow day like? How are rookies different from veterans?

Any comments?

Taip3n · 07-12-2008, 09:54 AM

Uff..

Them vs Us. Yeah.

Only known 2 personally and love them both to bits.

A big shout out to my man a Florida cop I met in Prague last year, whilst he lived there with his czech girlfriend. Solid, funny and witty guy. Human. He spoke alot about going back as there was nothing in Prague and he worried about loosing his licence and going through rookiedom again. Being a brit, I was glad to hear all the stringancy in the US, at least. He loved his job and was a good cop. I hope it goes well man, promise to not do the back streets of the Keys

A big shout out to the German copwoman. The most insightful and caring person I met in a long, long time. This woman will tear herself apart thinking about 'rights and wrongs' of the modern age and the role we all play in it, like media, the bad eggs on 'either side', and the ones that see it all happening and cry for it. She is a damned good cop. Her inside is the kind of woman I'd love. No problem. No misunderstandings. No failure. Just pure, good old fashioned honesty and care.

Both would laugh a little as I said the bad things, when I spoke about my numerous encounters when young, or nowadays (since it has happened all my life) of being a 'profile type' (male, youngish, hippyish, corsican blooded so I look ferral/mafiosi/evildooer/anti-establisment - for example me and border crossings always have an extended period together - all my life; 37 now. Australia, USA, Japan, UK, Germany, France on more than one occasion in the frequented ones). As a nurse I looked after a profiler once but then he wasn't doing his job and my uniform, my territory (as it's now my territory), my job and skills helped aid a more amiable chat on such things and yes it was profile.

Misunderstandings, huh.

I read the first 4 pages and thought it insightful. Debates such as this, hopefully if you can hear, will allow us all to understand we are all in this together. Yeah there are the power hungry. Yeah, the normal people tend to think them mad. Yeah, most of us understand there are bad apples in all things; it's a bad them and us nowadays...

Anyway, to you two, love you both.

Switch · 07-12-2008, 12:47 PM

The McCain=Bush woman has spoken... looks like the ACLU is all over it.
We'll see how it plays out in the near future.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-..._b_112285.html

I'll stat up a new thread about it, don't want to cloud the discussion here with this.

**peardog** · 07-12-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch

Also also, the officers were not being **** heads or ******** in the slightest -- but if this was truely a public event and they enforced her eviction it's dispicable.

"PUBLIC" and "Disorderly conduct" go hand in hand...
Here is an example of the law in my State:
Offense defined. - A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience,annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he/she:
1. engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;
2. makes unreasonable noise;
3. uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
4. creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

Again..not sure what the law is in the state in question...but I am sure they have something similar..

**peardog** · 07-12-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenian420

If you've seen Lord of War or something like that (Nicholas Cage, guy goes selling firearms and everything all around the world)

Oh my... Talking about a second rate Nick Cage movie you lost a bit of credibility there...

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Originally Posted by Fenian420

..And with the video.. In my mind I would rather be fired and forced to choose another career than make that arrest, ....

And that is why there are police officer's and there are NOT police officers.. Simple.. same reason I am not a Proctologist... and someone may really really want to be one...

**peardog** · 07-12-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch

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Also, did you bother to read what you wrote before submitting it?
"It isn't the police's job to uphold the constitution.... Police officers are law enforcers not law makers... They put their lives on the lien to uphold those laws..."
There are no higher laws than those written in the constitution. All other laws and rights are derived from the power vested in our constitution. To say the "police are not responsible for upholding the constitution, just the laws" is like saying that "Pilots aren't responsible for landing planes, just flying".

No Switch..you are wrong... 6 months in the police Academy (after a Degree in Criminology/Pre-Law) and we had not one class in Constitutional Law. We Enforce what the state legislature and the state supreme court pass into LAW. Period.. Folks who added an extra 3 years in law school (and tons of debt I'm sure) or have the advice of those who do.

Our job is to take what is written in the Crimes Code/Vehicle Code and enforce them.. Now do Officers use practical knowledge/common sense to determine what is enforced and when..sure.. HAVE TO.. you've seen these legislature and attorneys.. Most of it is done with a political agenda.. Street Cops don't have a political agenda... They get up, go to work, hope all is quiet and then go home. Hope for a quick 25 years so they can retire and move to nicer weather.

Period.. No conspiracies nothing..

chris934 · 07-12-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by peardog

No Switch..you are wrong... 6 months in the police Academy (after a Degree in Criminology/Pre-Law) and we had not one class in Constitutional Law.We Enforce what the state legislature and the state supreme court pass into LAW. Period.. Folks who added an extra 3 years in law school (and tons of debt I'm sure) or have the advice of those who do.

Our job is to take what is written in the Crimes Code/Vehicle Code and enforce them.. Now do Officers use practical knowledge/common sense to determine what is enforced and when..sure.. HAVE TO.. you've seen these legislature and attorneys.. Most of it is done with a political agenda.. Street Cops don't have a political agenda... They get up, go to work, hope all is quiet and then go home. Hope for a quick 25 years so they can retire and move to nicer weather.

Period.. No conspiracies nothing..

Is this future police office really saying he doesnt need to uphold the constitution? I cant possibly be hearing this correctly. You state that " Switch..you are wrong... 6 months in the police Academy (after a Degree in Criminology/Pre-Law) and we had not one class in Constitutional Law."
How could you have possibly gotten a Degree in any sort of law without having a class in constitutional law? The constitution is the basis for all of the laws in this country. I am curious what school teaches pre law and criminal justice without a class on the constitution.

And to say that "street cops dont have a political agenda" is flat wrong. Eveyone has some sort of political agenda. Plus sense these same cops are going to get paid depending on whos elected i would say that they have huge stakes in politics.

Drizzid · 07-13-2008, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chris934

Is this future police office really saying he doesnt need to uphold the constitution? I cant possibly be hearing this correctly. You state that " Switch..you are wrong... 6 months in the police Academy (after a Degree in Criminology/Pre-Law) and we had not one class in Constitutional Law."
How could you have possibly gotten a Degree in any sort of law without having a class in constitutional law? The constitution is the basis for all of the laws in this country. I am curious what school teaches pre law and criminal justice without a class on the constitution.

And to say that "street cops dont have a political agenda" is flat wrong. Eveyone has some sort of political agenda. Plus sense these same cops are going to get paid depending on whos elected i would say that they have huge stakes in politics.

How many times have you seen a police officer arrest someone who wasn't given the Right to Bear Arms? Or how many times have you seen a police officer arrest someone who was denied the right to a speedy trial? How many times have you heard of a police officer arresting someone who was denied by someone else their right to a Trial by Jury in Civil Cases? You haven't

That is what we are trying to say about police officers and the Constitution. Politicians use the Constitution to write laws and officers enforce those laws that are written by those same politicians.

**peardog** · 07-13-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chris934

Is this future police office really saying he doesnt need to uphold the constitution? I cant possibly be hearing this correctly. You state that " Switch..you are wrong... 6 months in the police Academy (after a Degree in Criminology/Pre-Law) and we had not one class in Constitutional Law."
How could you have possibly gotten a Degree in any sort of law without having a class in constitutional law? The constitution is the basis for all of the laws in this country. I am curious what school teaches pre law and criminal justice without a class on the constitution.

And to say that "street cops dont have a political agenda" is flat wrong. Eveyone has some sort of political agenda. Plus sense these same cops are going to get paid depending on whos elected i would say that they have huge stakes in politics.

No..I AM SAYING that when I SPENT 6 Months in the ACADEMY (ok..I. clouded it with the CJ college crap where I was required to have Constitutional Law class..but thats not what I was referring to..my bad) we had no Constitutional Law class, or Interpretations of the Founders 101 class. It's not our job to interpret..it's our job to enforce.

As for the Political agenda deal.. Reading your post..I can see where you may be right on some level. But in reality with long term contracts and unions it doesn't' matter (or at least is considered) on a Day to Day deal. But I have seen Police officers in smaller towns not be as "Strict" to certain politicians because of what they can do at a meeting or two..

07-11-2008, 10:19 PM	#364 (permalink)
TheSkudDestroyer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 2,911	Re: Ok, why do YOU hate the cops... A edited video is not really PROOF of what happened. Who really knows. It's uncertain. I'd rather see the raw, unedited, 100% video. There's no proof in that video that she wasn't yelling or something before... Either way, full video would be better. Global Security is not paid for or part of the US Government at all - it's an informational site. You could have gotten the same information/maps/aerial views if you were on GOOGLE MAPS. I go there very often to read Army Field Manuals. I even have 6 of them in my favorites... __________________ \|TG-6th\|Skud, NA Deputy Lead Tester To Hell and Back: The untold story of having your Dick Blonov ?uestlove just murdered me \| I love TG - You do too!

07-11-2008, 10:42 PM	#365 (permalink)
Fenian420 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 902	Re: Ok, why do YOU hate the cops... Alright not paid for by the US Government but I bet it does receive a bit of aid from US Government politicians and workers and the fact that it says Global Security yet its intended as if the US is the global security also pisses me off a little. And yea sure they might have some good articles on some things like Infantry manuals about how to clear houses and whatever (Don't really see how I'm ever going to need that info living in a city not under attack from any foreign enemy or anything but I guess still unneseccarily useful). I don't know, I guess it just kind of creeps me out knowing that if some public website can get all the info and do stuff like this than whatever any government has/can do plus the benefits of having military and people to do whatever they want with then it almost makes them invincible to the point where not even their own people in their government would be able to overthrow them so it really has no limit of how far it can go. If you've seen Lord of War or something like that (Nicholas Cage, guy goes selling firearms and everything all around the world) where the underdog highly illegal gun runner gets caught and then let off.. Things like that do happen but for just about anything, most of the thing that this country is against doing it does itself.. Politics truely is one of the dirtiest things ever, And with the video.. In my mind I would rather be fired and forced to choose another career than make that arrest, and no of course we'll never find a full video to that but also kind of curious why I haven't seen any videos of that happening showing up in any media, bet it happens pretty frequently....

07-12-2008, 01:39 AM	#367 (permalink)
P8riot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bradenton, FL Age: 37 Posts: 2,636	Re: Ok, why do YOU hate the cops... OK LEOs.. change of subject.. inquiry.. curiosity. In your cruiser.. what do you do? I mean on a boring day.. just cruising in traffic. What screen do you have up on your computer? Do you actively but randomly just run tags to see what comes up? If it's a slow night or day do you just look for a place to hang out and do paperwork or do something else? What tips you off that something just isn't right with a driver on the road? I am sure there is some pretty obvious stuff - but when nothing is obvious - what do you see? What do you 'feel'? Is it a gut thing? I mean we see all kinds of stuff on COPS and stuff.. but what is a slow day like? How are rookies different from veterans? Any comments? __________________ Dungeons and Dragons Online; Thorgaard, Thaumiel and Mahblung EVE Online Captain Thorgaard OHern; skipper of the Battlecruiser "Jane Says.." Pirates of the Burning Sea; Pirate Thorgaard O'Hern Age of Conan Cimmeria; Tharashk, Thaumiel, guild Ars Tactika

07-12-2008, 09:54 AM	#368 (permalink)
Taip3n Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 214	Re: Ok, why do YOU hate the cops... Uff.. Them vs Us. Yeah. Only known 2 personally and love them both to bits. A big shout out to my man a Florida cop I met in Prague last year, whilst he lived there with his czech girlfriend. Solid, funny and witty guy. Human. He spoke alot about going back as there was nothing in Prague and he worried about loosing his licence and going through rookiedom again. Being a brit, I was glad to hear all the stringancy in the US, at least. He loved his job and was a good cop. I hope it goes well man, promise to not do the back streets of the Keys A big shout out to the German copwoman. The most insightful and caring person I met in a long, long time. This woman will tear herself apart thinking about 'rights and wrongs' of the modern age and the role we all play in it, like media, the bad eggs on 'either side', and the ones that see it all happening and cry for it. She is a damned good cop. Her inside is the kind of woman I'd love. No problem. No misunderstandings. No failure. Just pure, good old fashioned honesty and care. Both would laugh a little as I said the bad things, when I spoke about my numerous encounters when young, or nowadays (since it has happened all my life) of being a 'profile type' (male, youngish, hippyish, corsican blooded so I look ferral/mafiosi/evildooer/anti-establisment - for example me and border crossings always have an extended period together - all my life; 37 now. Australia, USA, Japan, UK, Germany, France on more than one occasion in the frequented ones). As a nurse I looked after a profiler once but then he wasn't doing his job and my uniform, my territory (as it's now my territory), my job and skills helped aid a more amiable chat on such things and yes it was profile. Misunderstandings, huh. I read the first 4 pages and thought it insightful. Debates such as this, hopefully if you can hear, will allow us all to understand we are all in this together. Yeah there are the power hungry. Yeah, the normal people tend to think them mad. Yeah, most of us understand there are bad apples in all things; it's a bad them and us nowadays... Anyway, to you two, love you both.

07-12-2008, 12:47 PM	#369 (permalink)
Switch Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,137	Re: Ok, why do YOU hate the cops... The McCain=Bush woman has spoken... looks like the ACLU is all over it. We'll see how it plays out in the near future. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-..._b_112285.html I'll stat up a new thread about it, don't want to cloud the discussion here with this. __________________ \|TG\|Switch Better known as: That noob who crashed the chopper. That noob who ran over the mine. That noob who TK'd me with a sniper rifle. That noob who hit that APC at 300m with light AT! Our APC...

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