CingularDuality

LOL! Wow, what a totally unbiased way to direct the thread!

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CD rolls 1 against a check of 2. Intelligence failure. :P

Read the threads title.

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Now, now, Switch. Stop trying to crush dissenting views. ;P

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TheSkudDestroyer

The world does not revolve around you! How could the police have prevented you from being in that situation! They couldn't. And you claim it would have been no use to file a police report - but you didn't even file one! Instead, you will act angry about being mugged on the internet, but you yourself did not care to notify the authorities. Who cares if he was never caught - if he was, he would have been punished and you may have gotten whatever was taken returned to you.

Yes, drug addicts need better, purer drugs to be addicted to. I fully agree. Maybe then they'll use better weapons when they murder one another over drugs. Or maybe they'll stop whoring their bodies and lives out for drugs. And when they murder eachother over drug deals, it'll be OK. Hard drugs like crack should be pure, and sold by the government to it's (then) intoxicated constituents. That's the answer!

Why not leave America then?

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brain21

Skud, he was just relating to an incident that involved him. As for the drug thing, i think he meant that the government would supply them with it, so they wouldn't have to do those terrible things to get their vice, and then taken off it through programs. We had one such a place here in my town and it helped a lot of people avoid sharing needles, doing crazy stuff while high, or get beat up, and it got them clean. With government funding.

And Chris, even if you thought it was futile to file a report, you should have. If there's a small chance something you want will happen, why not file a report? It doesn't take that much time, and it's cheaper than buying a new bike. Also, how can cops be everywhere at once, which they would need in order to protect every single person in a community? And if someone is goading you, ignore them, responding to it only makes them succeed in what they wanted to do.

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mentholated

I don't want to? Why should I leave America? The government is the criminal here, not the country.

chris934

Wow. Uh... i really dont know what to say to this.

First off i am not angry that i was mugged (stuff happens it was just a bike ill get over it) but the claim was that the police "protect us" and i showed that even in a city considered to be one of the safest with a population over 100,000 the police werent able to prevent a mugging.

As far as the "world revolving around me" i dont know what your issue is. All i did was answer the question, dont get all pissy when i give you answers you dont like.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to drugs. your saying "they will have better weapons to kill themselves with over drugs" First of all i said nothing about weapons so i dont know what your point is on that. Secondly you claim they are "killing themselves over drugs" if that was true then my idea would solve the problem.
Whats this about suggesting that we arent already intoxicated? Acohol is an accepted social drug and causes more deaths then illegal drugs.
check out this data(some of it is ten or more years old, but its still about the same)
http://www.reconsider.org/issues/pub...ed_deaths_.htm

First off most "drug murders" arent over drugs they are over money. If you made the drugs legal the criminals wouldnt be able to make money off of them. I dont understand how you can ignore the truth of that. Secondly you also seem to believe that crack heads are killing people to get drugs (not true BTW have you ever even met a crack head?) if they were given drugs they wouldnt need to do anything illegal to get them. These people arent criminals they are sick. Would you put cigarette addicts in jail?

And as far as leaving america, and i cant be polite about this.

F U
Are you seriously suggesting that because i (or anyone else)disagrees with you that we dont love our country? Thats a horrible thing to say. Did i ask you to leave when you advocated killing illegal immigrants.....no. Because i believe in free thought and exchange in ideas. Apparently you believe in tyranny.

TheSkudDestroyer

The cops will never be able to prevent these kind of crimes. I don't see why you think they should have been able to. People will continue to do bad things, as they always have.

I was calm and level. I use exclamation points as punctuation, not aggravation.

Drugs are directly tied to crime and violence. That's why I mentioned weapons.

Money used purchasing, selling, etc., of drugs is "drug money" in my book. I don't care what part of the business of drugs they're killing one another over - either way the drug is a product and money is what is funding it. Violence is bad, and drugs are bad.

We should hand out mind-altering, brain damaging, body destructive drugs because you think it would help people? Go hand out your stash of pot to 13 year old kids...

Cigarettes and Alcohol are legal, and therefore are not illegal drugs. They are bad, but they are legal. What I'm concerned with is illegal drugs.

The end of my post was talking to mentholated, and it was a civil and polite question for HIM. Not you. He answered it without attacking me, why can't you? I did not suggest he did not love his country, I only asked why he does not leave if he feels that way. I left my ex-girlfriend, but I still loved her.

I took an oath to uphold the constitution and the United States of America. I certainly love my country, but further more, I love the right to free speech. What I do not love however, is your brash and ill-thought posts that continue to push the envelope of appropriateness.

To mentholated (So that it is clear);

I'm sure you've read much of John Locke's work on the relationship between a government and it's people. However, if the federal government is corrupt and sick, then the people have a right to change it. A government can only exist as long as the people allow it to, unless that government is a totalitarian dictatorship. And of course, as you're probably familiar with the phrase "The people should not be afraid of their government; The government should be afraid of it's people."

If the federal government were ever that bad, I feel that even fat lazy slob Americans (Not all are that, but you know what I mean) would be able to recognize the government was at fault and they would replace it.

I feel our government was founded strongly on the principals of John Locke.

I feel this also applies to the police force - look at the LA riots in '93. Growing tensions, police brutality - the riot was inevitable in my mind. But unfortunately, instead of rioting for what they believed in, many just became looters and exploited the situation. But the premise of the riot was true justice - not the violence and looting.

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chris934

You accuse me of not being level headed then you say that i said we should give drugs to kids. where did you pull that one from? Alcohol is legal and we dont give it to kids. You are making crazy statements.

So you are only concerned with the negative affects of something because its illegal? thats insane and totally illogical. Inorder to defend drugs being illegal you have to resort to exaggerations and illogical statements, and that only further proves my point. Violence and drugs are only together because the drug policies allows criminals to control drugs. By advocating continued prohibition you are giving the criminals exactly what they want. the criminals want the drugs to be illegal, because it makes them money. IF you cant see that then you are truly blind.

And you missing the point of my story about the mugging. Randy claimed that if the cops were to leave for a day that we would see we needed them , and i showed that they didnt stop me from being robbed. Only point i was making.

About the america thing. I will agree to disagree.
Nothing about these posts were offensive to anyone but you because i disagree with you. You are acting in an unamerican way by suggesting that my perfectly logical arguments are offense simply cause you dont agree with me.

TheSkudDestroyer

If you would give crack to crack addicts you might as well go give your pot to school kids.

I'm concerned with the negative effects of illegal drugs because they're destructive to society. Let's omit marijuana from this one: how does crack or heroin benefit society, even if it were legal. I suppose you may be correct that there would be less drug-related crime. But that's just an assumption. There's no proof that legalizing the two would lower crime or help drug addicts. But there IS proof that crack and heroin are bad and addictive, and can kill you with relative ease. So why should we allow either of them? The government exists to protect it's people, and we trust our government to do this.

Nothing will ever prevent crime from happening.

Presenting my opinion or debate is un-American? You said "(omit) you" to me. Why was that necessary? Why couldn't you just type "I disagree"?

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chris934

Again saying that "we might as well give pot to school kids" is crazy. Alcohol is legal , so by your logic we might as well give it to school kids. Heroin and crack dont benefit society, I wont argue with you there. But there are plenty of other things that are legal or legal to do that dont benefit society. How does alcohol benefit society? How does MTV benefit society? How do strip clubs benefit society?(im not saying i hate these things they are just examples).

Crack and heroin are certainly addictive they certainly damage peoples lives, but how does locking these people up and branding them criminals so they can never really properly reenter society helping them? you seem to think that im saying drugs arent bad. Its precisely because drugs are bad that they must be legalized and regulated. When you make drugs illegal you remove all options other then incarceration as solutions. Do i know that we could lower addiction rates: NO. But i do know that our current program isnt working. The punishment for crack and crack dealing(as well as other drugs) has increased continually from the time they became available and has it stopped its use?: NO. The only thing the drug war has done is further retard these peoples chances of returning to a normal functioning life. The government would be protecting its people more by treating these people as sick addicts who need proper medical treatment to end the addiction, and until the addiction ends, a source of untainted legal drugs to protect them from themselves.

You will notice that in many cases the government is hurting the American people with their propoganda about drugs, when kids grow up watching these exaggerated commercials about pot and then find out that these claims arent true they find it more difficult to believe anything they are told by authority. I mean we live in a country thats always telling you to "just say no" and "drugs are evil" and yet it seems that every other commercial i see is for some kind of medication or prescription drug(many of which are just as addictive as any illegal substance) and as you can see by the data provided by me in the link in one of my last two posts that legal drugs kill more then illegal drugs.

Yes i have proof that it would lower crime. Look at the mob and organized crime during prohibition. It was out of control because of the government allowing criminals to control the flow of a drug into the society. When alcohol prohibition was repealed we saw a dramatic drop in crime. Did it eliminate crime: no. But it did take away their main source of income and forced them to resort to other less lucrative forms of crime. and now we can see the mob as it was then is almost a non entity.

Would street gangs go away if we legalized drugs: NO but we would take away something that is literally pumping billions of dollars into the criminal world every year.

We have to be willing to look at new solutions to the problem of drugs and drug addiction in this country. Is it possible that im wrong: maybe. but if we dont try then what kind of people would we be? the drug war has failed. It has made us the country with the largest incarceration rate in the world, overran our streets with illegal drug money to provide criminals with the capital they need to wage war on our safety and society, and created an air of distrust between the government and its people(not to mention costing us Billions every year). The drug war has failed, we need different solutions.

And if you still don't believe me then check out LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) please look this website over. While you could accuse me of being biased towards this issue because i smoke marijuana (or did I'm on probation) and I couldn't blame you for that. These are all former cops, judges, and DEA agents and you could not accuse them of just wanting to get high. Please read the website and watch some of their videos on YouTube because they explain the issue better then me.

For the leap website use this link
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

For a quick link to one of their YouTube videos click here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEdzZ...eature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEdzZ...eature=related

Thank you and please consider the data

And I'm sorry for the un-American comment, I was frustrated by what i believe to be your uninformed statements but that does not excuse my comment. I really am sorry for that, sometimes i need to read my personal comments again to see what a jerk i have been. please accept my apology.

SharinganTH1422

That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.

The same way alcohol and cigarettes do.

The same reason we allow Alcohol and Cigarettes. Plus there'd be much less deaths if the stuff was made properly, and not cooked with a whole load of extra crap that makes it much more dangerous.

Posted this 3 or 4 pages back.

EDIT: Posted wrong one last time.

I actually don't support the legalisation of drugs, but the fact that people are so blind to the fact that so many drugs are already legalised makes me say what I say.

Narcotics brings in the most revenue for criminals. Legalize them, and you take away drug crime, and also a huge source of funding for illegal practices. Chris has said this for multiple posts, it's frustrating that you can't even read what he's repeating.

EDIT 2: Not saying that it will end crime completely, obviously. But it will go a long way.

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I'll take that one step further. If we're going to give crack to crack addicts, we might as well let Osama Bin Laden use our own nukes to blow up our cities. (I figured that if you're going to throw our a ridiculous Straw Man, you might as well do it right. )

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TheSkudDestroyer

Do nukes have anything to do with drugs? I'm done with this.

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ScratchMonkey

And to add to that, the same way golf and professional football do. The same way video games do. The same way music does. The same way any personal entertainment does.

Of course, if you're a puritan and think that entertainment itself must be criminalized, then arguments against drugs make a lot more sense. Then it's the underlying unstated justification that's foolish.

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