Kerostasis

But it was a cloudy day! I distinctly remember the sky looking grey on that day! Like I'm gonna let some government official tell me it's not raining... >.>

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Hambergler

QFT!

Evidence of this is the American peoples overwhelming support of the Zionist agenda because the government says so. The only reasons people should support the Zionist agenda is if they believe what the Torah says or they have genuine compassion for Israel. Not because there is a strong lobby for that particular purpose and their politician is afraid of losing political muscle and is blowing smoke. And that goes for any other lobby as well.

1.Blind faith in leaders is what led to the the Nazi regime.

2.Propaganda: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person.

The government should be in the business of serving the people of this country, but instead they are using propaganda to further their personal agendas through deceit. There has been so much bullsh** I don't know who the wolf is.

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CingularDuality

Oh, man... What is the Zionist agenda?

All I know is that Israel is one of our few allies in the Middle East. Maintaining healthy political ties to them is vital to the USA (at least until/unless Iraq gets on its feet and becomes our strongest ally in the ME). Anyone that's been here for any length of time has heard me say that I think Israel is a terrorist nation. But until we can defeat the larger threat of islamic extremism, I don't think we can afford to disassociate ourselves with Israel, much less take action against them.

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I just thought I'd respond to the original post with this link, which is the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting's online english interpretation of that particular speech. The IRIB is the Iranian control system for all Iranian media, and is government-controlled. So when they report:
I think it's a little silly to turn to other sources and have them try and explain that we somehow misheard. Obviously the Iranian government is comfortable with that interpretation.

Based on the rest of the posts in this thread, though, I think it's obvious that the "other interpretations" are the propaganda.

Hambergler

Well there you have it, from the ducks mouth. But isn't that the true sentiment shared by all of Islam? Why is it such a big deal that he has the balls to say it? Yes those are fightin words, but we did call them part of the axis of evil. Which is a threat after what we did to Iraq. I'm not taking up for him, I'm just saying that we have to look at our part, our foreign relations have been a disaster the last few years. I think if anything, Iraq has shown that flexing muscle is not the best policy.

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Kerostasis

Thats...are you serious? I'm sorry, I just fail to see how the US calling them part of the "axis of evil" is supposed to influence them to wipe out Israel. Especially since Iran had been taking that posture for some time before Bush called them out -- why do you think Bush said that in the first place? Just for fun?

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Buckets

I sort of thought he said it because he is a moron and thought it would be an easy way to manipulate other morons in America who only see the world in black and white. It was a pretty stupid bit of rhetoric and quite obviously an oversimplification.

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Look, I don't like Bush any more than the next guy. But Iran, North Korea, and Iraq were at the time pretty unique in their combination of defiance of moral norms and potential ability to damage international players. Other crap countries like Burma, Cuba, Sudan, and Congo simply don't pose a threat to any important countries, so there's no reason to list them.

Iran, North Korea, and Iraq also all have histories or neighbor with countries that do have functioning liberal societies, making them great places to pick on.

Axis of Evil? I dunno, maybe hyperbole. But not THAT far off.

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Hambergler

Agreed!

Anytime you call someone names on the school yard, you are in fact the moron.

On the other hand. Words like that in a political setting are devastating to diplomatic relations regardless of how obvious the oversimplification is.

I may never meet my future North Korean wife because of that bastid.

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CingularDuality

You haven't had to worry about that for years and years. North Korea today is like East Germany of yesterday.

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