Zeitgeist, The Movie? - Page 2

aeroripper · 10-10-2007, 03:31 AM

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No? Look for more info on the Trans-Texas Corridor:

Bingo, thanks for the links.

Switch · 10-10-2007, 04:02 AM

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Your link is only a short clip of a 2 hour long documentary. Above is the whole thing.

Watch if you have the time. It is extremely enlightening on many levels. Some will take issue of the authors view of 9/11. Agree with it or not, the larger picture he paints is spot on.

At the very least, you'll learn something very interesting about astronomy at the start

mentholated · 10-10-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aeroripper

I'm not sure if you've watched the news, but I've seen this issue come up many times, although not as much as Britney spears does

. I guess you could fault our profit-driven\ratings news networks for picking stories that will interest their viewers. You are free to research all of this information yourself, you can go and download NAFTA and read the entire thing yourself, you can interview economists that wrote it, and have free discussion about it. It's the publics responsibility to make sure this gets the attention it deserves, but its an uphill battle to educate average people who don't care.

I really don't see a North American Union becoming the same as the EU. This is a very complex subject (along with its historical roots), and it does have some benefits. The proposal that the government is going to build an interstate right through the middle of the country to Canada has been thrown around for some time, and I have yet to see any actual steps of this coming about.

Before giving into fear mongering and instant Ron Paul plugs, start by educating yourself on the NAFTA. I worry about erosion of our constitutional principles as well (namely civil liberties), but time will tell. I believe the economists and others who drafted the NAFTA believe that more free trade among the worlds countries will increase world peace and cooperation, along with reducing poverty (and therefore, increasing the standard of living for everyone). Others have called it a modern day version of economic colonialism. My biggest personal concern is that these bodies should be democratically elected in some fashion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA

Also what does "Zeigeist" mean in german?

“The general intellectual, moral, and cultural climate of an era.” Is the definition.

And guys, this people who are pushing towards globalization aren't exactly hiding the this project somewhere, the official home page is available for everyone to view.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Theres a parody site that has followed their activity since 1997 here: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac_timeline.htm

PNAC members in prominent government positions:

Dick Cheney Vice President
Donald Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense
Douglas J. Feith (former) Undersecretary of Defense
I. Lewis Libby Vice President Cheney’s former Chief of Staff and Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs.
Aaron Friedberg Vice President Cheney’s deputy National Security advisor
Robert Zoelick US Deputy Secretary of State
Paula Dobriansky Undersecretary of State
Elliott Abrams Deputy National Security Adviser
Frank Gaffney Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
Fred C. Ikle Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
Eliot A. Cohen Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
Henry S. Rowen Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
William J. Bennett Presidential speech writer
Jeb Bush Governor of Florida
Paul Wolfowitz World Bank President
John Bolton Ambassador to the U.N.
Zalmay Khalilzad U.S. ambassador to Iraq

So sorry, no, no, congressmen. Do you want to know why, my curious little friends? Because its unconstitutional, and not in some vague way. It completely disregards the sovereignty of our state and our currency, and most importantly our way of life and beliefs. This is never going to be discussed in congress (in public session), at least not by anyone other than ron paul. They're all completely aware of it, mind you.

Steeler · 10-10-2007, 09:35 AM

I'm sorry, I don't think I'm reading this thread clearly. It looks like I've got something crazy in my eye.

**Tempus** · 10-10-2007, 10:04 AM

Lol @ "amero".

Are you really gullible enough to buy into this?

Kerostasis · 10-10-2007, 12:34 PM

Look, there's two broad ways a North American Union could come about -- either (1) the supporters could attempt to completely scrap the US constitution and start over with a new government of North America rather than of the US, or (2) the supporters could work within our constitution and get our government to actually sign some sort of international treaty.

Option (1) is quite frankly never going to happen. Its impossible. It would basically require a military coup, but the military wouldn't support such a change because they all swore to uphold the Constitution. Doesn't matter how many PNAC members you think are in the Bush Administration, they can't singlehandedly overthrow the government.

Option (2) might conceivably work, but it doesn't carry any of the catastrophic consequences you're complaining about. Its a treaty. Just like any other. We've signed lots of treaties, and none of them have removed our constitutional rights, because treaties don't have the authority to change the constitution. Yes, Europeans have lost a lot of rights -- but that's not because they're part of the EU, that's because their own socialist governments took the rights away from them. The EU had nothing to do with it.

So, are they going to build a large transportation corridor through Texas? Quite possibly. Whats wrong with that? But that doesn't mean they're going to destroy the US constitution.

**Ferris Bueller** · 10-10-2007, 01:04 PM

Hey, I'm all for it! If The US, Canada and Mexico unite as one country, think about how much easier it will be to get to Cancun/Acapulco/Cabo/etc. for spring break! Plus, stronger beer (thanks Canada and Molson 3.0) and cheaper tequila that actually has the worm! (thanks mexico). Oh yeah, and they'd probably have to drop the drinking age to 18 seeing as 18 is legal in both canada and mexico and it's be awful hard to get them to up it to 21.

By the way, if you guys check the front page, you'll find that "gullible" is written there 5 times.

**Gillespie** · 10-10-2007, 01:30 PM

Sorry. The U.S. military wouldn't sit quietly by while politicians abolished the very document we were sworn to uphold.

Continue to work towards getting people to vote for Ron Paul, though. As a bonus, he'll probably find out and tell us who orchestrated 9/11 and who the hell was on the grassy knoll! Whee!

JinxX · 10-10-2007, 03:54 PM

Yeah I don't believe the US Army would stand by either as a catastrophic event occurs. I'm just worried as many should be, I mean we look upon a bunch of useless things and people care less about these bigger events.

We should keep an eye out, yes I have watched Zeitgeist. Now about Ron Paul, I'm not here to simply support him honestly I threw his name out because he is one if not the only president candidate I have seen thus far saying he'll put an end to many things that shouldn't even be happening that others wont even talk about its interesting. I can't even vote yet, I'm the new generation born under the these circumstances and I'm attempting to brighten up our generation into this instead of having them so obsessed over bands and movies and girl/boy problems.

I will keep researching this of course, I still believe there is something more going on. Bush sends us into a blazing war for oil claiming its all about terror and now he wants world peace?

Lets hope hes not all the devil. Aside from that, I believe if people do not let this occur fully, they will surely after some other catastrophic event occurs.

As for Amero

youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero

I still believe this is a serious situation that we have to watch out for.

Kerostasis · 10-10-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JinxX

Yeah I don't believe the US Army would stand by either as a catastrophic event occurs. I'm just worried as many should be, I mean we look upon a bunch of useless things and people care less about these bigger events.

So let me get this straight...

You're worried that we don't care enough about events that you admit will never actually happen, but would probably be important if they did happen, right?

Follow up question: Have you started working on your underground bunker and food supply to protect you when a yet-unseen meteor wipes out all life in North America? That would be even more important than the US/Mexican merger, and probably just about as likely.

mentholated · 10-10-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempus

Lol @ "amero".

Are you really gullible enough to buy into this?

You might want to watch this:

Its a cnbc interview with Steve Previs, from jefferies international, talking about how the worldwide economy is doing and then he mentions the amero, and goes into it in some detail.

SmokingTarpan · 10-10-2007, 04:18 PM

Probably the best plug for a presidential candidate since, "Vote for Bush, or terrorists will eat your baby and your dog. And you know how terrorists love dogs."

Zephyr · 10-10-2007, 04:31 PM

Yes, you don't like the folks in power. We get it. They're super-evil. Here is another one of their schemes. Whoop-de-doo I say. The fact that you post this stuff here is just symptomatic of the fact that you're looking for power in numbers or rather seeking affirmation of your own desired beliefs. Since the beliefs you want include such items as "the government is evil", also known as "has power you don't", you post this. You attract individuals who also want it to be true, thus feeling some semblance of validity to your own claims while fueling theirs. Following this, your group aims to further push the information to additional individuals by using the same propaganda and power in numbers techniques as the news agencies of the very people you despise so greatly.

Long story short, most of us here are immune to conspiracy theories because people who play at TG often don't possess a power complex anymore, which often originates in high school/college and dissipates as the individual gains the self-confidence and personal executive functions necessary to live happily in the world. Your social virus isn't going to catch here, with rare exception, so move along because we aren't the droids you're looking for.

-Zephyr

**Ferris Bueller** · 10-10-2007, 11:19 PM

I think at this point it's pretty much evident that barring some major miracle (or insane scandal) that we're going to have a democrat as our next president. So you think the Dems are gonna let this happen? ROFL.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 10-10-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

I think at this point it's pretty much evident that barring some major miracle (or insane scandal) that we're going to have a democrat as our next president. So you think the Dems are gonna let this happen? ROFL.

Actually, from my limited research, Clinton did have people looking at opening the borders between US and Canada and Mexico.

NAFTA is was pushed, and signed into law, by Clinton after all.

I just don't see where the scandal/shock of all of this is. Opening boarders? Free and unfettered trade? Mobile workforces? Eight years ago the only people ranting against this was Pat Buchanan (often called a xenophobe) and those wacky far lefties fighting the WTO.

10-10-2007, 04:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
Switch Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,238	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ Your link is only a short clip of a 2 hour long documentary. Above is the whole thing. Watch if you have the time. It is extremely enlightening on many levels. Some will take issue of the authors view of 9/11. Agree with it or not, the larger picture he paints is spot on. At the very least, you'll learn something very interesting about astronomy at the start __________________ \|TG\|Switch Better known as: That noob who crashed the chopper. That noob who ran over the mine. That noob who TK'd me with a sniper rifle. That noob who hit that APC at 300m with light AT! Our APC...

10-10-2007, 09:35 AM	#19 (permalink)
Steeler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Taxachusetts Age: 30 Posts: 2,952	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist I'm sorry, I don't think I'm reading this thread clearly. It looks like I've got something crazy in my eye. __________________

10-10-2007, 10:04 AM	#20 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,252	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist Lol @ "amero". Are you really gullible enough to buy into this? __________________ Battlefield 2/2142 Game Officer Contact me with server/player/admin issues. -- Suits are what you wear when doing things you shouldn’t want to do anyway. FROM THE TACTICAL GAMER PRIMER. 3) Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine.

10-10-2007, 01:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
Ferris Bueller Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 5,160	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist Hey, I'm all for it! If The US, Canada and Mexico unite as one country, think about how much easier it will be to get to Cancun/Acapulco/Cabo/etc. for spring break! Plus, stronger beer (thanks Canada and Molson 3.0) and cheaper tequila that actually has the worm! (thanks mexico). Oh yeah, and they'd probably have to drop the drinking age to 18 seeing as 18 is legal in both canada and mexico and it's be awful hard to get them to up it to 21. By the way, if you guys check the front page, you'll find that "gullible" is written there 5 times. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Ferris Bueller Important TG Reading \| Support TG - Become a Supporting Member \| TacticalWiki - Your TG Guide Kicked/Banned? READ THIS FIRST! \| Complete list of TG Admins \| Think Someone Did A Good Job? Nominate Them For a Ribbon! Report Problem Players/Appeal Your Ban \| Learn TG - The TG Mentoring Program __________________ "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." -Lazarus Long

10-10-2007, 01:30 PM	#23 (permalink)
Gillespie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,067	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist Sorry. The U.S. military wouldn't sit quietly by while politicians abolished the very document we were sworn to uphold. Continue to work towards getting people to vote for Ron Paul, though. As a bonus, he'll probably find out and tell us who orchestrated 9/11 and who the hell was on the grassy knoll! Whee! __________________ <ArmA Information/SOPs> <ArmA Admin Team> <TG Req. Reading>

10-10-2007, 03:54 PM	#24 (permalink)
JinxX Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 11	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist Yeah I don't believe the US Army would stand by either as a catastrophic event occurs. I'm just worried as many should be, I mean we look upon a bunch of useless things and people care less about these bigger events. We should keep an eye out, yes I have watched Zeitgeist. Now about Ron Paul, I'm not here to simply support him honestly I threw his name out because he is one if not the only president candidate I have seen thus far saying he'll put an end to many things that shouldn't even be happening that others wont even talk about its interesting. I can't even vote yet, I'm the new generation born under the these circumstances and I'm attempting to brighten up our generation into this instead of having them so obsessed over bands and movies and girl/boy problems. I will keep researching this of course, I still believe there is something more going on. Bush sends us into a blazing war for oil claiming its all about terror and now he wants world peace? Lets hope hes not all the devil. Aside from that, I believe if people do not let this occur fully, they will surely after some other catastrophic event occurs. As for Amero youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero I still believe this is a serious situation that we have to watch out for.

10-10-2007, 04:18 PM	#27 (permalink)
SmokingTarpan Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,471	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist Probably the best plug for a presidential candidate since, "Vote for Bush, or terrorists will eat your baby and your dog. And you know how terrorists love dogs." __________________ [squadl] "I am the prettiest african-american, vietnamese..cong..person." -SugarNCamo

10-10-2007, 04:31 PM	#28 (permalink)
Zephyr Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 20 Posts: 1,665	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist Yes, you don't like the folks in power. We get it. They're super-evil. Here is another one of their schemes. Whoop-de-doo I say. The fact that you post this stuff here is just symptomatic of the fact that you're looking for power in numbers or rather seeking affirmation of your own desired beliefs. Since the beliefs you want include such items as "the government is evil", also known as "has power you don't", you post this. You attract individuals who also want it to be true, thus feeling some semblance of validity to your own claims while fueling theirs. Following this, your group aims to further push the information to additional individuals by using the same propaganda and power in numbers techniques as the news agencies of the very people you despise so greatly. Long story short, most of us here are immune to conspiracy theories because people who play at TG often don't possess a power complex anymore, which often originates in high school/college and dissipates as the individual gains the self-confidence and personal executive functions necessary to live happily in the world. Your social virus isn't going to catch here, with rare exception, so move along because we aren't the droids you're looking for. -Zephyr __________________ You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it. You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer. Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline. Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise. We are no clan. We are not a single game. We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals. We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

10-10-2007, 11:19 PM	#29 (permalink)
Ferris Bueller Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 5,160	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist I think at this point it's pretty much evident that barring some major miracle (or insane scandal) that we're going to have a democrat as our next president. So you think the Dems are gonna let this happen? ROFL. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Ferris Bueller Important TG Reading \| Support TG - Become a Supporting Member \| TacticalWiki - Your TG Guide Kicked/Banned? READ THIS FIRST! \| Complete list of TG Admins \| Think Someone Did A Good Job? Nominate Them For a Ribbon! Report Problem Players/Appeal Your Ban \| Learn TG - The TG Mentoring Program __________________ "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." -Lazarus Long

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