Zeitgeist, The Movie? - Page 4

mentholated · 10-12-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokingTarpan

In all honesty, to me you sound like someone hired by the Ron Paul campaign to go spread the word about him through the tactic of fear-mongering.

Your posts have inconsistencies. First you say that this stuff has already happened, the world has gone to hell, the sky is falling and we need to bunker down. Then you later admit that the likelihood of any of this stuff actually happening is along the same odds as a meteor crashing into us tomorrow. You've now even changed the "new" currency from Amero to Amera, heh.

It's one thing to come here and make a post, "Hey guys, check this out. This is what I think, what about you?" It's something totally different to say, "This stuff is already happening, we're all doomed. But on a side note, check Ron Paul for President 2008."

You could be a person that's truly concerned about a possible catastrophe that could befall the US populace. However, the way you've gone about it raises my suspicions greatly.

I'm one of those people who's truly concerned about a possible catastrophe that could befall the world (not just the US population). But this isn't really a conspiracy theory. In a conspiracy, the evidence of the conspiracy is hidden. In this case, it is not hidden.. the things mentioned in the movie are things anyone can do research on and see for themselves. But, like the other guy, I'd like for ron paul to be president, because he does want to change this. But ron paul has nothing to do with this conversation. Mainly, because this goes beyond presidents. This goes all the way up to [gasp] bankers.

So if you want to really change something, do something about those bankers holding the weights on that scale.

Kerostasis · 10-12-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I think you're arguing semantics. Whether or not the Amero is truly in our future, or is just a conspiracy has no impact on the fact that there are prototype Amero coins out there.

Would you say that the prototype presidential dollars are something other than presidential dollar coins?

If I was interjecting that prototype Presidential Dollar into a conversation about how all paper currency was going to be scrapped and replaced with Presidential Dollar coins, and this was a sign of the coming apocalypse, then yes, I would take care to distinguish between the Prototype I was looking at and the non-existant "real thing". If I was going into a conversation about possible designs for future dollar-denomination coins after the public rejection of Susan B Anthony silver dollars, then I could more safely assume the picture would speak for itself, without being misinterpreted.

You have to consider context, Cing. The difference between "The US Mint plans to scrap the dollar as a currency" and "this one guy decided to make an Amero piece to put on his own metal-working resume" is more than mere Semantics.

**CingularDuality** · 10-12-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerostasis

If I was interjecting that prototype Presidential Dollar into a conversation about how all paper currency was going to be scrapped and replaced with Presidential Dollar coins, and this was a sign of the coming apocalypse, then yes, I would take care to distinguish between the Prototype I was looking at and the non-existant "real thing". If I was going into a conversation about possible designs for future dollar-denomination coins after the public rejection of Susan B Anthony silver dollars, then I could more safely assume the picture would speak for itself, without being misinterpreted.

You have to consider context, Cing. The difference between "The US Mint plans to scrap the dollar as a currency" and "this one guy decided to make an Amero piece to put on his own metal-working resume" is more than mere Semantics.

Heh... If you say so. I thought we all knew that the Amero is a concept being proposed (like any other non-existent "real thing") and that, therefore, any photos would be of prototypes/mock-ups/photochops/etc...

The fact that this is a proposed coin changes the discussion how? I don't understand. Does the photo increase or decrease the likelihood of the Amero being real and in our future? Does the photo mean that even though the Amero is real and is coming in just a matter of time, that we can't change that? Does the photo confirm that the Amero is just a conspiracy and that nobody seriously wants it?

The photo changes nothing. It's just interesting. There doesn't need to be any context there. It's just a cool looking coin, and the presence of such a coin really isn't important in the grand scheme of things...

JinxX · 10-12-2007, 03:05 PM

youtube.com/watch?v=s9YToCzAJ9Q

I still believe bad things are going to happen. Maybe not tomorrow, in a week maybe in a few months. Who knows but, I'd rather not see it happen. =/ I'm speaking as the useless new generation of America to the older one. If you get the opportunity to speak out of do something about it (For those whom agree that this is not the way to go) please do so. Every voice matters.

As for this whole Amero thing, yes it is a concept being proposed but as we know it MIGHT be getting worked on. I mean, the North American Union was never proposed was it? It was just one of those things we found out two years later.

Kerostasis · 10-12-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Heh... If you say so. I thought we all knew that the Amero is a concept being proposed (like any other non-existent "real thing") and that, therefore, any photos would be of prototypes/mock-ups/photochops/etc...

The fact that this is a proposed coin changes the discussion how?

Yes, its a proposal either way -- but the level of credibility given to that proposal changes depending on whether this coin was proposed by, say, the US Mint as opposed to, just for example, JinxX. Again the context of the proposal is important.

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I don't understand. Does the photo increase or decrease the likelihood of the Amero being real and in our future? Does the photo mean that even though the Amero is real and is coming in just a matter of time, that we can't change that? Does the photo confirm that the Amero is just a conspiracy and that nobody seriously wants it?

The photo ALONE does not do any of those things -- but the photo does not stand alone. The context behind the photo actually can have an impact on some/all of those questions -- or then again, it might not, depending on what that context is.

But when you decline to provide a context at all, people will naturally begin to fill in context automatically using their imagination as well as the text discussion that the pictures were posted as a part of. And that "automatic fill-in" of context very often leads to incorrect conclusions.

Since I have high expectations of your integrity in debate, I expected that you would always be careful enough to avoid that trap and offer the context behind the photos alongside the photos themselves, unless you were not aware of the context. So I was assuming the best motivations on your part by thinking you didn't realize where they came from.

AMosely · 10-12-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aeroripper

Also what does "Zeigeist" mean in german?

I didn't see anyone answer this. The term is 'Zeitgeist' and it is broadly defined as the intellectual and/or cultural 'theme' of an era. As you can imagine, it has many interpretations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist

I don't really care to comment much on the thread itself because I think it's quite far fetched. Of the many pressing problems facing America today, I do not see this (an impending North American Union) as one of them. The highway might be heading in this direction, but there are thousands of miles and hundreds of exits along the way.

Switch · 10-12-2007, 04:02 PM

The other topics addressed in Zeitgeist are of greater concern in my opinion. The 'Federal Reserve' private banking system, the surveillance state concern with national ID and RF transponders being implanted at birth, and the war profiteering.

Do watch the whole thing if you have the chance. Even if you disagree, there are well developed points for you to argue

**CingularDuality** · 10-12-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerostasis

But when you decline to provide a context at all, people will naturally begin to fill in context automatically using their imagination as well as the text discussion that the pictures were posted as a part of. And that "automatic fill-in" of context very often leads to incorrect conclusions.

And it often leads to correct conclusions. What is your point? I'm really not understanding why you're so upset that I posted a picture of a coin without explaining everything about it. Do you think that everyone that is going to look at it here is stupid? You don't think they can do their own research and/or form their own opinions without you spoon feeding it to them? I'm really confused about what exactly you're taking exception to...

Kerostasis · 10-12-2007, 05:42 PM

Cingular -- I'm getting very frustrated by your refusal to consider "context" as a concept worthy of notice. No, I don't think everyone here is stupid. But look where you posted that photo! Its in a thread about how the Amero is going to replace the Dollar! Sure, people could do their own research after seeing your photo, but if you've already got it all at hand before you posted it, why not do the courteous thing and just pass that along as well? Why force your audience to perform independant research in order to properly understand what you are saying? I have no doubt that there are many here who would be fully capable of doing their own outside research in order to properly understand your photo. But I also have no doubt there are some people who just won't bother. Are you intentionally trying to mislead those people?

**CingularDuality** · 10-12-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerostasis

Why force your audience to perform independant research in order to properly understand what you are saying? Are you intentionally trying to mislead those people?

What do you think I was trying to say? How can I mislead people when I just wanted to show them a cool photo of one person's vision of the Amero? You say you don't think everyone here is stupid, and yet you seem to think that because I didn't provide any commentary that people will think the Amero is already here because I post a photo? C'mon, man...

xTYBALTx · 10-12-2007, 11:25 PM

I for one am looking forward to the Amero. Maybe it won't depreciate as quickly as the dollar.

**CingularDuality** · 10-13-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

I for one am looking forward to the Amero. Maybe it won't depreciate as quickly as the dollar.

Do you like the way it looks?

I posted a photo of it a few posts back....

**Gillespie** · 10-13-2007, 04:03 AM

/me dons a sombrero and does the... uh... whatever dance guys with sombreros do as they toss out ameros to the repressed citizens of America. Or something.

mentholated · 10-13-2007, 05:43 AM

Eventually there won't even be physical money anymore, it'll all be soft currency in the form of "credits". Most people don't realise that the federal reserve prints money out of thin air already. Once its a mainstream thing to have one of those RFID verichip implants, things will rapidly switch to a cashless economy. And that my friends, is the ultimate method of control. All of your money and your identity tied to a number that that little grain of rice in your forearm sends to a reciever to look up whatever records that particular place has on you. Be it your bank (money), medical records, criminal record. You think it won't happen, and it won't.. not for a while. But soon, and I'd say with the current way our civilization is headed, the world will be more unified (not in the good sense of the word) and we will be very willing to accept a cashless society. And once that happens, we have in effect sold our souls to the devil. If for instance, someone in a position of power wanted to, he would be able to have any record tied to your ID deleted. And for those that don't know, this technology already exists, and its already being used for these purposes. Just look up the verichip corporation and digital angel.

**Tarenth** · 10-13-2007, 05:50 AM

Cingular I can see where Kerostasis is coming from actually. As they say "a picture is worth a thousand words" and without your own words putting it into context that picture alone pretty much screams "Hey look! The Amero is upon us!" especially given in its position in a thread about a conspiracy theory concerning the Amero and a North American Union. Of course that illusion is quickly dispersed in the bickering that follows, but that's beside the point.

On a completely different topic: I love that design of the WTC on the last coin you posted. I think it would be hilarious and capture current US policy and values as they stand now (aka Rude and Offensive) in an amusing way.

If the Amero was put into practice I think it would depreciate pretty fast due to the combination of the Canadian and Mexican currency with the US dollar. Mixing two 'good' economies with a universally bad economy won't be all around good news. Then again, I'm not an economist so what do I know.

Lastly, on one of the original topics that I managed to see before I started laughing at the opening post's message, I wouldn't worry so much about criminals coming over the border and anarchy in the streets. I'm pretty confident we have enough domestic criminals who could cause anarchy in the streets and make foreign border crossers (excluding drug cartels and organized crime who wouldn't care anyways) look like children. My main concern is actually that illegal aliens don't pay taxes and I'm effectively paying for services they demand while they can take their paycheck without income tax and go home with it.

10-12-2007, 03:05 PM	#49 (permalink)
JinxX Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 11	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist youtube.com/watch?v=s9YToCzAJ9Q I still believe bad things are going to happen. Maybe not tomorrow, in a week maybe in a few months. Who knows but, I'd rather not see it happen. =/ I'm speaking as the useless new generation of America to the older one. If you get the opportunity to speak out of do something about it (For those whom agree that this is not the way to go) please do so. Every voice matters. As for this whole Amero thing, yes it is a concept being proposed but as we know it MIGHT be getting worked on. I mean, the North American Union was never proposed was it? It was just one of those things we found out two years later.

10-12-2007, 04:02 PM	#52 (permalink)
Switch Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,005	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist The other topics addressed in Zeitgeist are of greater concern in my opinion. The 'Federal Reserve' private banking system, the surveillance state concern with national ID and RF transponders being implanted at birth, and the war profiteering. Do watch the whole thing if you have the chance. Even if you disagree, there are well developed points for you to argue __________________ \|TG\|Switch Better known as: That noob who crashed the chopper. That noob who ran over the mine. That noob who TK'd me with a sniper rifle. That noob who hit that APC at 300m with light AT! Our APC...

10-12-2007, 11:25 PM	#56 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,676	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist I for one am looking forward to the Amero. Maybe it won't depreciate as quickly as the dollar. __________________ Current Tybalt theme song: Mason v. Princess - Perfect "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

10-13-2007, 04:03 AM	#58 (permalink)
Gillespie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 981	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist /me dons a sombrero and does the... uh... whatever dance guys with sombreros do as they toss out ameros to the repressed citizens of America. Or something. __________________ <ArmA Information/SOPs> <ArmA Admin Team> <TG Req. Reading>

10-13-2007, 05:43 AM	#59 (permalink)
mentholated Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 596	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist Eventually there won't even be physical money anymore, it'll all be soft currency in the form of "credits". Most people don't realise that the federal reserve prints money out of thin air already. Once its a mainstream thing to have one of those RFID verichip implants, things will rapidly switch to a cashless economy. And that my friends, is the ultimate method of control. All of your money and your identity tied to a number that that little grain of rice in your forearm sends to a reciever to look up whatever records that particular place has on you. Be it your bank (money), medical records, criminal record. You think it won't happen, and it won't.. not for a while. But soon, and I'd say with the current way our civilization is headed, the world will be more unified (not in the good sense of the word) and we will be very willing to accept a cashless society. And once that happens, we have in effect sold our souls to the devil. If for instance, someone in a position of power wanted to, he would be able to have any record tied to your ID deleted. And for those that don't know, this technology already exists, and its already being used for these purposes. Just look up the verichip corporation and digital angel.

10-13-2007, 05:50 AM	#60 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,087	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist Cingular I can see where Kerostasis is coming from actually. As they say "a picture is worth a thousand words" and without your own words putting it into context that picture alone pretty much screams "Hey look! The Amero is upon us!" especially given in its position in a thread about a conspiracy theory concerning the Amero and a North American Union. Of course that illusion is quickly dispersed in the bickering that follows, but that's beside the point. On a completely different topic: I love that design of the WTC on the last coin you posted. I think it would be hilarious and capture current US policy and values as they stand now (aka Rude and Offensive) in an amusing way. If the Amero was put into practice I think it would depreciate pretty fast due to the combination of the Canadian and Mexican currency with the US dollar. Mixing two 'good' economies with a universally bad economy won't be all around good news. Then again, I'm not an economist so what do I know. Lastly, on one of the original topics that I managed to see before I started laughing at the opening post's message, I wouldn't worry so much about criminals coming over the border and anarchy in the streets. I'm pretty confident we have enough domestic criminals who could cause anarchy in the streets and make foreign border crossers (excluding drug cartels and organized crime who wouldn't care anyways) look like children. My main concern is actually that illegal aliens don't pay taxes and I'm effectively paying for services they demand while they can take their paycheck without income tax and go home with it. __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

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