Zeitgeist, The Movie? - Page 5

**CingularDuality** · 10-13-2007, 07:10 AM

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Cingular I can see where Kerostasis is coming from actually. As they say "a picture is worth a thousand words" and without your own words putting it into context that picture alone pretty much screams "Hey look! The Amero is upon us!" especially given in its position in a thread about a conspiracy theory concerning the Amero and a North American Union. Of course that illusion is quickly dispersed in the bickering that follows, but that's beside the point.

Heh... Hey look! The Amero IS upon us! Obviously it's upon us in some manner if coins are being designed for it already!

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Lastly, on one of the original topics that I managed to see before I started laughing at the opening post's message, I wouldn't worry so much about criminals coming over the border and anarchy in the streets. I'm pretty confident we have enough domestic criminals who could cause anarchy in the streets and make foreign border crossers (excluding drug cartels and organized crime who wouldn't care anyways) look like children. My main concern is actually that illegal aliens don't pay taxes and I'm effectively paying for services they demand while they can take their paycheck without income tax and go home with it.

Actually, completely open borders would make it a bit easier to address the criminal aspect. Right now we have an entire subsection of society in the United States is already living outside the law. They didn't follow the law to get here, they don't follow the law when they get their jobs, they don't follow the law when they're driving on our roads, so why would they follow the law while doing anything else? I'm not saying that any of these individuals are bad people for breaking the laws that they have to get here, because most of them are not. But when your whole life is outside the law, it just seems to make it less likely that you follow other laws. Go to the jail in any county in this country with a population over 20,000 around 4am on Sunday morning and I'd be willing to bet money that there is someone locked up for drunk driving that doesn't speak English. It's a cultural thing, and the culture of breaking laws isn't a good one for this country, or any other.

**Tarenth** · 10-13-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Actually, completely open borders would make it a bit easier to address the criminal aspect. Right now we have an entire subsection of society in the United States is already living outside the law. They didn't follow the law to get here, they don't follow the law when they get their jobs, they don't follow the law when they're driving on our roads, so why would they follow the law while doing anything else? I'm not saying that any of these individuals are bad people for breaking the laws that they have to get here, because most of them are not. But when your whole life is outside the law, it just seems to make it less likely that you follow other laws. Go to the jail in any county in this country with a population over 20,000 around 4am on Sunday morning and I'd be willing to bet money that there is someone locked up for drunk driving that doesn't speak English. It's a cultural thing, and the culture of breaking laws isn't a good one for this country, or any other.

Oddly enough I get a completely different feel to the situation. Actually I guess it could be summed up by the Indian custodian from Tom Hank's movie "The Terminal". As long as he did his job and kept his nose clean he would never run into problems with the law and have no risk of being deported. Of course that was a movie, but it seems to make sense in a way. Someone who is constantly being thrown in jail will have a record made up and if that record shows illegal status they're more likely to get started on the process of deportation. Of course this is talking about crimes of a violent or dangerous nature. Obviously fradulent crimes will fall right into the laps of illegal immigrants because they're already commiting fraud by being in the country illegally. They then commit fraud by getting jobs without a valid tax ID (aka Social Security Number) and claim services provided by society for citizens without actually being a citizen or actively seeking citizenship. They also commit tax evasion by being untaxable, but that goes into not having a valid tax ID.

In a way most illegal immigrants are like burglers trying to grab some cash and take it back home with them. You slip in, grab the dough, then slip out with your loot. Rinse and repeat. Commiting a violent act in the process or making yourself noticed will just complicate matters and raise the risk of being caught and prosecuted. Wasn't there a stink a while ago about an illegal who was caught for some reason and one side was up in arms over the fact that the government confiscated over $300,000 that he was intending to take back with him? Nevermind that they confiscated that money because he was never taxed for his under the table employment or charged for social services he used and that's how much he made with fraud.

Of course that's not to say illegal immigrants don't commit crimes. Its just less likely they'll be caught for such crimes if they have no past record for it. After all isn't border jumping a well known and popular way to avoid prosecution in your own country by leaving the jurisdiction?

xTYBALTx · 10-13-2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

I for one am looking forward to the Amero. Maybe it won't depreciate as quickly as the dollar.

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Do you like the way it looks?

I posted a photo of it a few posts back....

I am quite serious.

**CingularDuality** · 10-13-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarenth

Someone who is constantly being thrown in jail will have a record made up and if that record shows illegal status they're more likely to get started on the process of deportation.

Ah, if that were the case, then I would agree with you. To a certain extent, it is true. Being arrested certainly increases the chance that an illegal alien is seen by immigration authorities. Unfortunately, it probably only raises the chance from less than 1% to up around 5%. Most jails across the country have no system in place to contact ICE on anything except aliens that have been previously deported for aggravated felonies. Here in Dallas, the city of Irving is on the front page of the newspapers because ICE has deported 1% of their city's population since the jail has started calling ICE on all foreign born inmates. The reality is that in most of the country, an illegal alien needs to fear deportation only as much as you and I do, which is to say, he/she need fear not.

Zephyr · 10-15-2007, 05:01 PM

I would just like to reiterate my point from my last post, which is how sad it is that every group in American politics does not seem to exclude individuals who will practice fear-mongering as a method of persuasion. Perhaps this is more indicative of the fact that we seem to have a cultural consensus that its okay to retaliate with the same methods that were used against us because we "hate" them.

I for one actually support Ron Paul and have donated to his campaign, but I'm not going to preach him as one of the later-day saints who is going to avert the apocalypse.

Heck, what you're doing with that kind of statement is trying to make a classical conditioning response between "horrible disaster for America" and "Ron Paul, who will stop it". I've got news for you though, that kind of statement is going to do nothing but turn off the majority of people who are looking for stability and peace in their political lives and attract only like-minded liberally-rabid individuals.

What you've utilized here is nothing short of the same brainwashing techniques, and I use that term very literally, used to turn American's from capitalism in the Korean war as well as unite a post-9/11 America into an invasion of a country for no well thought out reason.

Quite frankly, anyone who posts something like this should be utterly ashamed of themselves, and question what they stand for.

-Zephyr

aeroripper · 10-18-2007, 02:41 AM

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Eventually there won't even be physical money anymore, it'll all be soft currency in the form of "credits". Most people don't realise that the federal reserve prints money out of thin air already. Once its a mainstream thing to have one of those RFID verichip implants, things will rapidly switch to a cashless economy. And that my friends, is the ultimate method of control. All of your money and your identity tied to a number that that little grain of rice in your forearm sends to a reciever to look up whatever records that particular place has on you. Be it your bank (money), medical records, criminal record. You think it won't happen, and it won't.. not for a while. But soon, and I'd say with the current way our civilization is headed, the world will be more unified (not in the good sense of the word) and we will be very willing to accept a cashless society. And once that happens, we have in effect sold our souls to the devil. If for instance, someone in a position of power wanted to, he would be able to have any record tied to your ID deleted. And for those that don't know, this technology already exists, and its already being used for these purposes. Just look up the verichip corporation and digital angel.

Cool! Then it'll be just like Star Wars where everybody pays with credits! Seriously though, the idea of RFID chips implanted into babies is very unsettling, but so were many other technological advances in our past. I'd imagine stuff like baby vaccines was pretty scary when it first came around, thinking that there would be poison or some other awful component injected without you knowing. The fast rate of technological change usually comes with a "the sky is falling" mentality, though in practice it usually tends to be far more moderate.

FWIW, I hate the idea of a cashless society and RFID implants. I bet all those guys at the Verichip plant drink blood and make animal sacrifices too! :P. We'll have to see how the privacy\abuse concerns are handled, but I imagine it will be one hell of a hard sale.

**Requital** · 10-18-2007, 02:44 PM

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Eventually there won't even be physical money anymore, it'll all be soft currency in the form of "credits". Most people don't realise that the federal reserve prints money out of thin air already. Once its a mainstream thing to have one of those RFID verichip implants, things will rapidly switch to a cashless economy. And that my friends, is the ultimate method of control. All of your money and your identity tied to a number that that little grain of rice in your forearm sends to a reciever to look up whatever records that particular place has on you. Be it your bank (money), medical records, criminal record. You think it won't happen, and it won't.. not for a while. But soon, and I'd say with the current way our civilization is headed, the world will be more unified (not in the good sense of the word) and we will be very willing to accept a cashless society. And once that happens, we have in effect sold our souls to the devil. If for instance, someone in a position of power wanted to, he would be able to have any record tied to your ID deleted. And for those that don't know, this technology already exists, and its already being used for these purposes. Just look up the verichip corporation and digital angel.

So does that mean when people mug you they just cut off the appendage that the chip is in?

Beatnik · 10-18-2007, 04:33 PM

I bet you guys are big fans of infowars.com and Lou Dobbs.

Sheesh.

Embiggener · 10-18-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mentholated

Eventually there won't even be physical money anymore, it'll all be soft currency in the form of "credits". Most people don't realise that the federal reserve prints money out of thin air already. Once its a mainstream thing to have one of those RFID verichip implants, things will rapidly switch to a cashless economy. And that my friends, is the ultimate method of control. angel.

Why do you think a piece of green paper with numbers written on it has more real value than numbers written to your name in a bank account or a bond?

cash makes up a very small percentage of an economy. Most people dont realise that the federal reserve prints money out of thin air is because they dont, banks do by making loans. The federal reserve regulates it, go read a book.

And you better double up the tinfoil on your hat.

xanathemax · 10-20-2007, 06:16 PM

I just hope we include Cuba in this whole deal. Cheap cigars for everyone!

Soulja · 12-10-2007, 11:22 PM

First off, I have a feeling this might be taken off because of what this is about.

A friend at school told me about this and I watched it, and it was...well i really don't know how to explain it.

It's 2 hours long, if you wanna watch it, go ahead and explain what you think about it.

I just wanted to share this with everyone to hear their opinions on this because I really don't know anything about this nor do i really understand what it is all about:

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

P.S. Sorry if this offends anyone, it has some pretty strong opinions about the subjects in the movie

mentholated · 12-10-2007, 11:26 PM

Search the forums, this has been posted about already. Lots of threads on the various topics touched upon in that documentary.

Soulja · 12-10-2007, 11:38 PM

Oh oops, i searched Zeitgeist in the Search thing and nothing appeared.

**BigGaayAl** · 12-11-2007, 03:11 AM

Heh weird film. It has some good points, yet borders on the schizophrenic/paranoid. It gives me the same feeling Alex Jones does; he starts with a good observation of something fishy, then goes overboard like a certified nutcase in the interpretations he makes. I love how he always says Bush and co are in a conspiracy with the UN. The man who appointed John -the UN needs less floors- Bolton!

Zeitgeist has the same problem as all the 9-11 conspiracy theories. A lot is kept secret, allowing for the wildest interpretations.

I still wonder whether the people in power withold information to hide something, or to nourish conspiracy theories, so they can ridicule the opposition.

Ps posting this video will probably be a repost on pretty much every forum on the whole internet

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**CingularDuality** · 12-11-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulja

Oh oops, i searched Zeitgeist in the Search thing and nothing appeared.

I don't believe you. I just searched and three threads popped up.

Anyway, they're all merged into this one thread now.

10-15-2007, 05:01 PM	#65 (permalink)
Zephyr Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 20 Posts: 1,665	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist I would just like to reiterate my point from my last post, which is how sad it is that every group in American politics does not seem to exclude individuals who will practice fear-mongering as a method of persuasion. Perhaps this is more indicative of the fact that we seem to have a cultural consensus that its okay to retaliate with the same methods that were used against us because we "hate" them. I for one actually support Ron Paul and have donated to his campaign, but I'm not going to preach him as one of the later-day saints who is going to avert the apocalypse. Heck, what you're doing with that kind of statement is trying to make a classical conditioning response between "horrible disaster for America" and "Ron Paul, who will stop it". I've got news for you though, that kind of statement is going to do nothing but turn off the majority of people who are looking for stability and peace in their political lives and attract only like-minded liberally-rabid individuals. What you've utilized here is nothing short of the same brainwashing techniques, and I use that term very literally, used to turn American's from capitalism in the Korean war as well as unite a post-9/11 America into an invasion of a country for no well thought out reason. Quite frankly, anyone who posts something like this should be utterly ashamed of themselves, and question what they stand for. -Zephyr __________________ You were once like the newbie who needed a hand from above and TacticalGamer gave you it. You owe the newbie who comes after you that same outstretched hand from above on your honor as a Tactical Gamer. Tactics at TG come from trust and friendship, not meticulous detail and rigid discipline. Everyone should be assumed mature until proven otherwise. We are no clan. We are not a single game. We are mature, intelligent, and cooperative individuals. We are TacticalGamer, a community above and beyond its name.

10-18-2007, 04:33 PM	#68 (permalink)
Beatnik Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Age: 33 Posts: 4,337	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist I bet you guys are big fans of infowars.com and Lou Dobbs. Sheesh. __________________ -F- Beatnik

10-20-2007, 06:16 PM	#70 (permalink)
xanathemax Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 78	Re: The North American Union - Zeigeist I just hope we include Cuba in this whole deal. Cheap cigars for everyone!

12-10-2007, 11:22 PM	#71 (permalink)
Soulja Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Indiana, USA Age: 17 Posts: 620	Zeitgeist, The Movie? First off, I have a feeling this might be taken off because of what this is about. A friend at school told me about this and I watched it, and it was...well i really don't know how to explain it. It's 2 hours long, if you wanna watch it, go ahead and explain what you think about it. I just wanted to share this with everyone to hear their opinions on this because I really don't know anything about this nor do i really understand what it is all about: http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ P.S. Sorry if this offends anyone, it has some pretty strong opinions about the subjects in the movie __________________ "...and they call me ready to deploy, engage and destroy, wherever you need me to be. I'm an American Warrior!" My Myspace: myspace.com/_shatteredsoul_ <== Add me!

12-10-2007, 11:26 PM	#72 (permalink)
mentholated Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 795	Re: Zeitgeist Search the forums, this has been posted about already. Lots of threads on the various topics touched upon in that documentary.

12-10-2007, 11:38 PM	#73 (permalink)
Soulja Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Indiana, USA Age: 17 Posts: 620	Re: Zeitgeist Oh oops, i searched Zeitgeist in the Search thing and nothing appeared. __________________ "...and they call me ready to deploy, engage and destroy, wherever you need me to be. I'm an American Warrior!" My Myspace: myspace.com/_shatteredsoul_ <== Add me!

12-11-2007, 03:11 AM	#74 (permalink)
BigGaayAl Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: gent, belgium Posts: 1,500	Re: Zeitgeist Heh weird film. It has some good points, yet borders on the schizophrenic/paranoid. It gives me the same feeling Alex Jones does; he starts with a good observation of something fishy, then goes overboard like a certified nutcase in the interpretations he makes. I love how he always says Bush and co are in a conspiracy with the UN. The man who appointed John -the UN needs less floors- Bolton! Zeitgeist has the same problem as all the 9-11 conspiracy theories. A lot is kept secret, allowing for the wildest interpretations. I still wonder whether the people in power withold information to hide something, or to nourish conspiracy theories, so they can ridicule the opposition. Ps posting this video will probably be a repost on pretty much every forum on the whole internet . __________________ Support your right to arm bears. ~Cleveland Amory I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy. ~J.D. Salinger

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