Bc2ID

Kerostasis,

I agree, these types of primaries are usless. However, they still count regardless of what we think of their system. I know where you are going with your post and I agree. This will flood the Republican primary with Democratic voters who will have ill intentions. It is a kind of a bummer, but keep in mind that Romney's Dad was a HUGE figure in that state. It will be a crushing blow to his ego when he is defeated there.

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Kerostasis

Well, if losing Michigan is a big enough blow to Romney's ego to make him want to pull out, so be it. In that case he probably wasn't cut out to be president anyway.

But if his psyche can withstand the mental trauma of losing the state, I think he's still got a fine shot of taking the overall nomination. Yes, the votes from Michigan count as much as any other state...well, to be precise, they count half as much as any other state, since Michigan only gets half credit as punishment for voting early...but at any rate, the delegates from Michigan do add tangible benefit to the candidates they support. However, theres still 46 more states left to vote with a lot of delegates left to be earned, and early returns from Independant-heavy states are poor predictors of returns from more Republican-heavy states down the road. No one has an insurmountable advantage at this point.

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CingularDuality

Interesting. I didn't know this.

Stand by for Ron Paul's first win in the Primaries!

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ScratchMonkey

More here:

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[tR]Greasy_mullet

I am a hard core Republican and I will never EVER vote for that SOB McCain. I would rather Hitlary take the big win than give it to that jerk. If the next 4 years are going to be hell, I would rather somebody who is an OPEN Liberal be responsible and not another closet case liberal like Bush or McCain.

The only reason McCain got NH is because it is a very liberal leaning state.

ScratchMonkey

However bad Bill Clinton might have been, he did have the virtue of containing runaway Republican spending, simply out of partisan animosity. With Republicans in both Executive and Legislature, spending soared just as it does with Dems.

Bring back gridlock!

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ScratchMonkey

I just finished watching V for Vendetta. Excellent film. And it made me wonder just what, if anything, will keep the US from going down that path.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)

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[tR]Greasy_mullet

YES! And the GOP is still trying to figure out why there is a lack of excitement behind the race in 2006 and again here in 2008. A lot of the guys are talking the talk but nobody believes them as the credibility is just gone. It's going to take somebody like Hitlary to remind us how bad things can get to energize the base to come back and give a new GOP crop a chance.

Gambit7

What new GOP crop?
That's a complete oxymoron.
GOP=Old Crusty incumbent white-guys

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ParkBench

GM, How bad can things get? can I get a reference point? I'm no fan of Hill,Hill, but... I guess I need a point of reference. You stated you were a hardcore republican. Are you confusing a republican with a conservative? The terms are NOT the same. I'm was a hardcore republican who finds myself more like a libertarian than the GOP 0f 2008. To put McCain and W in the same group? you've gotta be kidding? Bush is a fascist. for those out of the know... Fascism is extreme rightism, further than Conservatism. McCain is a Reagan Moderate, and W a fascist.

was it H W Bush's or Reagan's presidency? no, no that was great right? Carter? Where did we live in a Liberal Democratic state?

and for reference, Bill Clinton was not a liberal democrat. He was a moderate. And he wasn't the anti christ. I remember the 90s were pretty good for the USA. our foreign policy took a hit in world standing, but we were better off missing the meetings with world leaders, than showing up and ****ting in everyones corn flakes. Now Hillary is NOT bill, and tend to find her more Liberal... but Clinton wasn't a bad president.

the GOP has a classic problem of being the Grand OLD Party. After Reagans terms the GOP had a great leader of the national congressional commission, Lee Atwater. He was young charismatic, and when he passed away from illness, alot of the energy of the GOP died with him. Its gonna take someone who tells people the truth, and the people trust in the White House to 'fix' things.

you might not agree with him all the time, but you can trust guys like Paul, and McCain.

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This thread is going about as well as the election is so far, and that's not saying much.

Thought I'd toss this little piece into the thread and smoke it - here's a clip of Fox news being stupid at their own repub. debate and Ron Paul calling them on it. Those of you who call yourselves Republicans seriously need to think about what your party stands for anymore.


** Seems like there's some controversy surrounding this clip, and that Fox omitted it from rebroadcast. I don't know if that is true, but if it is, Fox is beyond a loser in my opinion. Here's precisely what a debate (let alone a general election) is about, and they cut it?

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Kerostasis

Thats pretty dead on, and thats why a lot of us call ourselves "conservatives" instead of Republicans now. There's a distressing shortage of conservativism in the modern day Republican party -- W, Huckabee, and McCain are all extremely moderate. Ok, so theres some here who would prefer to call W a "fascist" instead of a moderate, but at least we agree he's not a conservative.

I hope Ron Paul starts winning something, even though I only agree with about half of his positions. He sure talks a good fight, at least.

Edit: Duncan Hunter would be pretty good too, but he's even less electable than Paul.

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birdie_in_Texas

i am so wholly ignorant of politics, i mean i am absolutely stupid about it and i am an "educated" type of "white-collar" person...it seems to me at least, that there has been no "good choice" for decades...

so what do you do when there is no "good choice"..? write in Mickey Mouse?

All i know is that it seems like we in the US are headed for a REALLY bad time of it in the upcoming future...all the politicians are thieves, there is no way to get rid of them, so what to do..?

i guess it is good that i have in-laws in Canada..when the "big one" hits, maybe i can get there alive...

you guys will laugh at this...in high school here in the smallish redneck town i lived in, we used to get stuff from the freaking KKK in our mail boxes..none of it was post marked...did not have stamps, nothing...now think about that...you know what it must "take" for something like that to happen? and that is just small town hillbilly crap...think about how unimaginable the corruption must be in a place like D.C. ? can you freakin believe what must be going on behind closed doors?

do any of you think that any of these "people" running would make things any better?

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO PEOPLE...?

HOW DO WE FIX THIS..?


i really do weep when i think about my 6-yr old being an older person and how things will likely be when her kids have kids....maybe someone dropping the big daddy would actually be a better thing somehow, although i cannot imagine that future...

i am making myself sick thinking about this..i need to go home and jump on the CoD4 server and take out some aggression...

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[tR]Greasy_mullet

[quote=ParkBench;884918]Fascism is extreme rightism, further than Conservatism. McCain is a Reagan Moderate, and W a fascist.
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Actually you just hit on my pet peev as Fascism is a leftist political idiology. Its to the right of communism but extreme left in every other regard. If you look at the policy that Hitlary, Obama, Edwards, and their like are pushing, they are almost identical to that which Fascist Italy and Germany were pushing. Even many quotes of those leaders then and the DNC leaders today are very very similar.

How the right got the label baffels me because it is the anti Fascist in every possible way. Though far too many have taken up Fascist policy like Bush, McCain, and others just like them. I believe the leftist of the 1940's wanted to cover up for their fellow leftist so since its to the right of communism they simply said its a rightist political idea which is semi true because its to the right of what they believe. What better way to slander your enimies than to attempt to link them to the greastest mass murderer of the time... the only problem way they did not know Stalin was even worse and therfor could not pass the buck on him as well once the truth of their Meca came to light.

Now I am a Republican but a Conservative. I agree with a majority of the Libertarian positions because I believe in personal freedom as long as that Freedom does not hurt other people. Thats why I believe in allowing Drugs and people to do what they want in their bedrooms with consenting adults but am against Abortion, and their opposition to the war.

ParkBench

Actually, no... Fascism is extreme Rightism, Communism is extreme Leftism. Fascism and Communism ARE in some ways alike, thus creating a full circle of ideology.

communism -- socialism -- liberalism (a million isms) conservatism -- and way to the right -- fascism.

What some democrats are pushing is a form of socialism.

W has made himself a cult of personality. The Dept of Home Land Security is growing the size of the federal government. the Patriot act is growing the federal government. The Founding of the Republican party is based on smalled Federal government.

I think some wikipedia, and some Ron Paul should be in your future, man...

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