It's official, Bush Lie(d)(s)

**Rincewind** · 01-23-2008, 03:59 PM

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...t_study_fi.htm

and

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/...ormation_study

My question is, was paying someone to do this study even necessary?

**peardog** · 01-23-2008, 04:05 PM

Heh at least the first one isn't written by anyone biased or anything:

"Frank J. Ranelli is a progressive, free-lance political writer and Internet talk show host. His current journalism endeavors to educate people on the dangers of the Bush Administration, the Religious Right, and the unlawful occupation of Iraq. In addition, he is an ardent advocate for the impeachment of President George W. Bush"

Oh.. and here is how they do it:
"Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida."
The old weapons of mass destruction argument...

**tHa_KhAn** · 01-23-2008, 04:07 PM

I'm glad it was a non-profit agency. That makes me feel so much better about it. You can believe all not for profit groups. I still believe almost 100% of everything in these articles falls under the "Hindsight is 20/20" cliche.

**Rincewind** · 01-23-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by peardog

Heh at least the first one isn't written by anyone biased or anything:

"Frank J. Ranelli is a progressive, free-lance political writer and Internet talk show host. His current journalism endeavors to educate people on the dangers of the Bush Administration, the Religious Right, and the unlawful occupation of Iraq. In addition, he is an ardent advocate for the impeachment of President George W. Bush"

Maybe his editors have a sense of propriety.

Beatnik · 01-23-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by peardog

Heh at least the first one isn't written by anyone biased or anything

Bias? At a website called "OpEdNews.com"? Surely, you jest.

Interesting study. Of course it was unnecessary, but interesting nonetheless.

Evo<^|SiNz|^> · 01-23-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tHa_KhAn

I'm glad it was a non-profit agency. That makes me feel so much better about it. You can believe all not for profit groups. I still believe almost 100% of everything in these articles falls under the "Hindsight is 20/20" cliche.

That's funny that you think they're impartial or non-partisan because they are non-profit. I'd be curious to see how much of George Soros' donations paid for this study.

**Rincewind** · 01-23-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Evo<^|SiNz|^>

That's funny that you think they're impartial or non-partisan because they are non-profit. I'd be curious to see how much of George Soros' donations paid for this study.

That "whooshing" sound you didn't hear was sarcasm.

Evo<^|SiNz|^> · 01-23-2008, 05:24 PM

Whoopsie.

**Ferris Bueller** · 01-23-2008, 05:56 PM

Its funny that anyone had to do this. Bush is a politician. What do politicians do by nature?

War.mongeR1 · 01-23-2008, 06:03 PM

I wonder why this study is front-page headline newsworthy. It's the same exact argument people have been making forever, except now someone counted how many times he's said these things. I still don't believe the study proves that bush truly and knowingly lied though. Whats to say that Bush and everyone didn't know these were false pretenses. So without proof of him knowingly lying, how the heck is this "study" productive?

**peardog** · 01-23-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by War.mongeR1

So without proof of him knowingly lying, how the heck is this "study" productive?

It's good Fodder..should it traction in the REAL media..for the Election.. I'm sure..
Right now it's blog (and Forum) fodder..

**peardog** · 01-23-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

Bush is a politician. What do politicians do by nature?

Heh..How true sir..How true...

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 01-23-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

Its funny that anyone had to do this. Bush is a politician. What do politicians do by nature?

I agree. Everybody has already made up their minds.

But not many politicians have had the opportunity to lie about a pre-emotive war. So at least he stands out in that respect.

ScratchMonkey · 01-23-2008, 07:05 PM

It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Hambergler · 01-23-2008, 07:12 PM

I wonder if this will have any bearing on his standing in the community as a good Christian moral man? Hmmmm...

When they finally put his ass on the stand he will use the old "I don't recall".

01-23-2008, 03:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
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peardog Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: PA, USA Age: 39 Posts: 1,128	Re: It's official, Bush Lie(d)(s) Heh at least the first one isn't written by anyone biased or anything: "Frank J. Ranelli is a progressive, free-lance political writer and Internet talk show host. His current journalism endeavors to educate people on the dangers of the Bush Administration, the Religious Right, and the unlawful occupation of Iraq. In addition, he is an ardent advocate for the impeachment of President George W. Bush" Oh.. and here is how they do it: "Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida." The old weapons of mass destruction argument... __________________ Have a great day! 2008!!! TG - SOP -- TeamSpeak Server Information - REQUIRED READING

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tHa_KhAn Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Gunshine State Age: 27 Posts: 2,034	Re: It's official, Bush Lie(d)(s) I'm glad it was a non-profit agency. That makes me feel so much better about it. You can believe all not for profit groups. I still believe almost 100% of everything in these articles falls under the "Hindsight is 20/20" cliche. __________________

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War.mongeR1 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,212	Re: It's official, Bush Lie(d)(s) I wonder why this study is front-page headline newsworthy. It's the same exact argument people have been making forever, except now someone counted how many times he's said these things. I still don't believe the study proves that bush truly and knowingly lied though. Whats to say that Bush and everyone didn't know these were false pretenses. So without proof of him knowingly lying, how the heck is this "study" productive? __________________ "Common sense is not so common." -Voltaire

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ScratchMonkey Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Pablo, California Posts: 3,911	Re: It's official, Bush Lie(d)(s) It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is. __________________ Sig

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