Eroak

Fighting over oil. It's like BF2142, but in real life.

But over all, videos like that are disgusting. But they also allow us to observe our enemy. Years ago we couldn't do. It adds more fuel to the fire. I'm not saying it's right, but its there and might as well be converted into something useful. Know your enemy..

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TheSkudDestroyer

Guys...politics have nothing to do with why this video is offensive. NOTHING.

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Twiggy

Yes I think its worth it cause the Iraqis Need Our help and we wont let the Al-Quaida stand in our way!!!

Atomic Dog

That's a bit of false logic though. The invasion is what created the environment necessary for the insurgency. They weren't there prior to this.

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Twiggy

Yeah but we still have to get rid of Al- Quaida so we can give the Iraqis a second opinion of who we are. Did you know that Al- Quaida is starting to lose power cause so many people get a change of heart and become rebels that fight against them And plus the Iraqis can never win cause we have firepower and the iraqis only have small arms. And I dont think that Russia will supply them with more tanks and assets cause if they do well just blow them away!!!!

Atomic Dog

We're not at war with Iraq. We're at war with an insurgency that wasn't present in Iraq until after our presence. And we don't know the extent of russian involvement with the isurgency. The media isn't reporting that. Just like they never reported that russian sniper I spoke of who was holding down a camp in Mosul for 30 days.

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INSUNABULA

Your country is becoming poorer by the day because of that war, the longer you guys spend in that country, the longer it will take you to recover from it. I've never been a fan of invading countries.

If you want to over-throw a country with a (nasty) dictator then feed, cloth, educate and house the people and they will do the job for you in time.

Not the easiest solution but it's another choice to take

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Daxx

Got a link on that?

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Atomic Dog

I didn't hear it through the internet or any kind of media. It's a first hand account I recieved from someone who was stationed at Mosul during that time.

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Daxx

(Not trying to be combative)

How did they know the sniper was Russian?

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Atomic Dog

They were tipped off by a hadji with some information on the sniper. That info lead them to a house in Mosul where they found hand drawn diagrams of the the base and various documents that indicated the sniper was a russian. More than likely he was just a mercenary hired by one faction or another. She said they never suspected he was russian military. But that info was something that was either never discovered or never released.

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Kerostasis

Slightly off topic, but I think the primary reason we are so vehemently opposed to a split country is the objections of Turkey, who really don't want to see an Independant Kurdistan any time soon.

The secondary reason is probably the difficulty of "fairly" splitting resources like oil that are relatively easy to divide on paper, but are not geographically distributed along the same lines that would most likely be used for political distribution. Or in simpler terms, the people that don't happen to live next to large deposits of oil will be opposed to any plan that simplifies down to "you keep the land you're living on".

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ScratchMonkey

I've seen a similar argument (not at TG) presented to explain why splitting the US is a bad idea: The states that get the most tax benefit would be screwed if the states paying the most taxes were allowed to secede.

So the reason we can't split Iraq is because the old power elite would be walled out of the oil sitting under (I think) the Kurds.

Now if only we could treat the Kurds like we did the Israelis, dumping huge amounts of money into building up their military so they can defend themselves from the haters all around them.

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