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DeMint to Berkeley: Support Our Marines or Lose Federal Funds

http://demint.senate.gov/public/inde...2-8d5616ec70e3

And yes Berkely does have a NROTC http://navyrotc.berkeley.edu/



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Ferris Bueller

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Nice. Very Nice.

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Guardianx11x

Well said. I respect and admire the living too. However I question if what the armed forces are doing/have been doing in Iraq is important or if they are succeeding. My main thought about fallen soldiers is that they died fighting for our country. Of course, that doesnt mean they weren't fighting for a country sending them out to die for reasons which I feel are not worth the sacrifice.

It's not dishonorable of a soldier to die for a bad cause, its dishonorable of a government to have used their lives for little gain. I think it should anger people when soldiers are dying because of poor decisions made by the government. I do not think we should claim that the cause was worth fighting for simply because people were killed....

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leejo

I don't disagree with much of that, but "I'd pay more for my gas if..." is just a pointless, self-serving thing to say, IMO.

Guardianx11x

I'd like to point out that $2 Million dollars practically nothing to either the Marines or UC Berkeley.

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Guardianx11x

The point was that the bush administration values lowering the price of oil over keeping US troops alive. I was expressing my opinion to the contrary.....

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leejo

yes and the Clinton administration valued US troops lives' less than stabilizing Croatia. History is replete with examples of administrations and leaders placing a higher priority on strategic concerns than on troops' lives. That's WHY we have troops.

You may have been expressing your opinion, which is fine. You chose to express yourself in a fatuous manner, IMO.

Ferris Bueller

It's really funny, I just watched some of the videos on CNN's website showing a bunch of teenage kids standing up to the Code Pink women and a thought occurred to me: you know how big of a boost this is going to be for that recruiting office? Every kid who is hard set on joining the marines in the bay area is going to go to that office just to rub it in the faces of the protesters. Interesting how something like that can backfire on the people who are trying to make a statement.

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Guardianx11x

It's completely silly of me (to the point where I'm naive...even dim-witted aparently?) to think that we should depoloy the military with a purpose or not continue to get them killed even when it becomes clear that the reasons for which we justified their deployment were fallacious. I'm not saying there arent times when an administrations needs to perform a cost/benifit analysis and decide whether to use deadly force. But you're really not considering our current situation when making those claims. Comparing the Iraq war to Bosnia is like comparing Vietnam to WWII.

Of course, after taking a nap and rubbing my two brain cells together for awhile...it dawned on me I would never have had to pay a few more dollars to save gas if it meant saving US troops. In fact, I would probably pay less than what I'm paying now. I'll even go as far to say that this was is running against national interest and that our soldiers are being murdered by administrative incompetency.

History is replete with examples of administrations and leaders using military force for no good reason and getting young men killed...for no good reason.

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GlobalWarmin

Ha! You are sick

Ferris Bueller

See, thats what people dont understand. We're not over there right now because we want to be. We're over there right now because we HAVE to be. We displaced their government and their police force. As such, under the geneva convention, we have to stay until they get a stable, working government and police force up and running, the same way we did with afghanistan. The difference is, Iraq is moving at a much slower pace than afghanistan did.

So regardless of the protests, regardless of the political talking heads saying "were going to end the war and bring the troops home", short of a miracle, it aint gonna happen anytime soon. So anything about the war being full of lies and the fact that our guys are over there dying for naught and we should bring them home is just hot air. We're doing the job that we stuck ourselves with. Create a mess, clean it up.

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Guardianx11x

There have already been plans drafted to get us out. The problem is we are still trying to "win" the war. It's pretty much lose-lose now, and we dont have the resources to clean up the mess we made. But you're right, now that we are waist deep we might as well follow through. Its just that it was obvious we shouldnt have been there from the get go.

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FatCobra

I'm not saying your wrong, but if everyone in America had the same attitude that you have, America would never of even been founded in the first place. You know how leaders/heroes are born? There born by having hope, a sense of self-respect, a never quit attitude and making damn sure everyone around them knows it. To know that theres always a way to accomplish something, always a way to do what has to be done, even if a way can't be found right away.

No matter how the outcome looks, always believe in yourself, your fellow man, and your country. ... what? you want a example? How about the super bowl No one in their right mind would of bet money on the Giants, but somehow they won in the end cause they never gave up.

Guardianx11x

That's just flat out wrong. Its not if something can or cant be done, it's if something SHOULD be done.

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FatCobra

Instead of saying that I'm flat out wrong and leaving it at that, could you give me some reasons why I am wrong?

Should or Should-Not is pretty much the same as Can and Cant, so really you're dis-agreeing with me by agreeing with me...?