John McCain - Page 2

**leejo** · 02-07-2008, 01:06 PM

No kidding.

xTYBALTx · 02-07-2008, 01:08 PM

Not to mention... can you imagine how intense some McCain vs. Obama or McCain vs. Clinton debates could get?? Fiery characters all.

AMosely · 02-07-2008, 02:28 PM

I actually like John 'straight talk' McCain, and I wish that he had won the republican nomination in 2000. I like that he doesn't tow the party line, he generally seems to think things through and doesn't mix words or conceal truth when he discusses his opinions. He's also not a chickenhawk - he is a decorated veteran and former POW. If he were to take office, I think the country would finally be able to witness a president who actually deserved and was qualified for the role of commander in chief. The thing I like about him the most, which now seems commonplace, is his resistance to corporate power and corruption of government. In 1999 (on campaign in NH) he said he would lead "a fight to take our government back from the power brokers and special interests and return it to the people and the noble cause of freedom it was created to serve." When he goes up againt Cliton or Obama later this year, he's going to have to campaign on that pledge (or something similar) again, and I think that's a good thing.

My reservations with McCain are that I disagree with several of his conservative views and priorities, mostly revolving around rights to privacy, abortion, and international diplomacy vs. military involvement. I also believe that he is too old to hold office (he will be 73, and complete his first term at 77) and is an awkward public speaker.

McCain truly deserved the nomination in 2000. Instead, he took a beating at the hands of Bush's campaign machine, which in case you forgot was among the most vicious in American history (accusing him of everything from being a homosexual 'manchurian candidate' to fathering an illegitimate black child.) I hope that at least this time around he's granted a real shot, though I very much doubt any republican candidate has a chance at this point. This election is going to be fueled largely by the miserable failures of the Bush administration at every level, and is going to be as indiscriminate as he has been when defining the 'enemy'.

**leejo** · 02-07-2008, 02:35 PM

That's a mighty purdy coat of arms you got there, boy...

AMosely · 02-07-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by leejo

That's a mighty purdy coat of arms you got there, boy...

Sometimes that's what happens when decisions are made by popular vote...

FatCobra · 02-07-2008, 02:53 PM

Hillary - Liberal
Obama - Liberal
McCain - Liberal

There's no Republicans in this presidential race, so stop bashing us when your talking about McCain.

**Rincewind** · 02-08-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FatCobra

Hillary - Liberal
Obama - Liberal
McCain - Liberal

This election is starting to look gerrreat!

**CingularDuality** · 02-09-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by leejo

Obama is a dreamboat, to be sure, but I think the country will grow out of him before the race is done. I will give him this, I may disagree with just about everything that comes out of his mouth, but I know where he stands.

He's a statesman to be sure. And we haven't had a statesman leading this country for a while.

It's a toss up for me whether I'm going to vote for Senator Obama or Congressman Paul. I guess it depends on whether either of them are actually on the ballot... Regardless, I plan on "throwing away" my Presidential vote.

Trooper · 02-09-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

He's a statesman to be sure. And we haven't had a statesman leading this country for a while.

It's a toss up for me whether I'm going to vote for Senator Obama or Congressman Paul. I guess it depends on whether either of them are actually on the ballot... Regardless, I plan on "throwing away" my Presidential vote.

Thats pretty much any vote an educated voter gives anymore. Uneducated voters our number educated ones easily 2 to 1. And the media plays it hardcore, they will show the parts of the candidates they want people to see and bury the parts that effect their ratings.

Congressman Paul seems to be picking up alot of Romney's voters. Which really isnt helping huck or McCain.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 02-09-2008, 09:52 PM

The more I think about it the more I like Obama. Mainly for the reason Cing pointed out.

I think it would be nice to have somebody that can stand up and give a coherent and inspiring speech. That can make up for incoherent policies.

While I find Paul's "speaking of his mind" refreshing I don't think it is good for a leader of a diverse and divided country. My crazy uncle speaks his mind and nobody would want him as president either.

FatCobra · 02-09-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

The more I think about it the more I like Obama. Mainly for the reason Cing pointed out.

I think it would be nice to have somebody that can stand up and give a coherent and inspiring speech. That can make up for incoherent policies.

While I find Paul's "speaking of his mind" refreshing I don't think it is good for a leader of a diverse and divided country. My crazy uncle speaks his mind and nobody would want him as president either.

And the things Obama says aren't Crazy? Like giving Driver's Licenses to Illegal Immigrants? Or rounding up all the Terrorists and bad guys around the world and "Talking it out"?

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 02-09-2008, 10:04 PM

Neither are crazy and are actually quite practical.

But let us keep this thread on topic and talk about McCain. If you want to discuss things Obama please start another thread.

**TurkishDelight** · 02-09-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

Neither are crazy and are actually quite practical.

But let us keep this thread on topic and talk about McCain. If you want to discuss things Obama please start another thread.

Coming from a person who lives in a state that is not on the border? Hmm....Many people here would disagree with you.

Illegals should get no benifites of any kind, and should not get DL. That is beyond rediculous IMO.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 02-10-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TurkishDelight

Coming from a person who lives in a state that is not on the border? Hmm....Many people here would disagree with you.

Illegals should get no benifites of any kind, and should not get DL. That is beyond rediculous IMO.

Like I said, start another thread please.

Buck Fush · 02-10-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambit7

I hate McCain because he's a 5th generation warmonger Prince (Admiral's son) who technically dishonored himself in Vietnam, but constantly uses it as a crutch and self-promotion as a "hero." If he got swiftboated, he'd be ran out of town... alas, he's already got legislation in place to protect himself, so he wont be getting swiftboated anytime soon.

Do you know something I don't?

This kind of talk disgusts me. Once you have been tortured and not signed a "false confession" please feel free to denounce those who did, but until then you just sound like a damn hippie.

02-07-2008, 01:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,690	Re: John McCain No kidding.

02-07-2008, 01:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,851	Re: John McCain Not to mention... can you imagine how intense some McCain vs. Obama or McCain vs. Clinton debates could get?? Fiery characters all. __________________ Current good song: Justice - Stress "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

02-07-2008, 02:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
AMosely Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maine Age: 33 Posts: 2,634	Re: John McCain I actually like John 'straight talk' McCain, and I wish that he had won the republican nomination in 2000. I like that he doesn't tow the party line, he generally seems to think things through and doesn't mix words or conceal truth when he discusses his opinions. He's also not a chickenhawk - he is a decorated veteran and former POW. If he were to take office, I think the country would finally be able to witness a president who actually deserved and was qualified for the role of commander in chief. The thing I like about him the most, which now seems commonplace, is his resistance to corporate power and corruption of government. In 1999 (on campaign in NH) he said he would lead "a fight to take our government back from the power brokers and special interests and return it to the people and the noble cause of freedom it was created to serve." When he goes up againt Cliton or Obama later this year, he's going to have to campaign on that pledge (or something similar) again, and I think that's a good thing. My reservations with McCain are that I disagree with several of his conservative views and priorities, mostly revolving around rights to privacy, abortion, and international diplomacy vs. military involvement. I also believe that he is too old to hold office (he will be 73, and complete his first term at 77) and is an awkward public speaker. McCain truly deserved the nomination in 2000. Instead, he took a beating at the hands of Bush's campaign machine, which in case you forgot was among the most vicious in American history (accusing him of everything from being a homosexual 'manchurian candidate' to fathering an illegitimate black child.) I hope that at least this time around he's granted a real shot, though I very much doubt any republican candidate has a chance at this point. This election is going to be fueled largely by the miserable failures of the Bush administration at every level, and is going to be as indiscriminate as he has been when defining the 'enemy'.

02-07-2008, 02:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,690	Re: John McCain That's a mighty purdy coat of arms you got there, boy...

02-07-2008, 02:53 PM	#21 (permalink)
FatCobra Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 249	Re: John McCain Hillary - Liberal Obama - Liberal McCain - Liberal There's no Republicans in this presidential race, so stop bashing us when your talking about McCain.

02-09-2008, 09:52 PM	#25 (permalink)
El_Gringo_Grande Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: OKIE HOMY Age: 39 Posts: 2,545	Re: John McCain The more I think about it the more I like Obama. Mainly for the reason Cing pointed out. I think it would be nice to have somebody that can stand up and give a coherent and inspiring speech. That can make up for incoherent policies. While I find Paul's "speaking of his mind" refreshing I don't think it is good for a leader of a diverse and divided country. My crazy uncle speaks his mind and nobody would want him as president either. __________________ Sen. Barack Obama (IL) For President '08 --- I’m not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host. - "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette

02-09-2008, 10:04 PM	#27 (permalink)
El_Gringo_Grande Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: OKIE HOMY Age: 39 Posts: 2,545	Re: John McCain Neither are crazy and are actually quite practical. But let us keep this thread on topic and talk about McCain. If you want to discuss things Obama please start another thread. __________________ Sen. Barack Obama (IL) For President '08 --- I’m not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host. - "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette

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