New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring - Page 3

**VegaBond** · 03-12-2008, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Augustus Gloop

He didn't use his own name. He registered the hotel room in the name of a friend, and didn't give his name to the prostitution ring. He's not stupid, the problem is that moving that kind of money secretly is tough, and he believed the call girl when she told him that giving it to a certain blind corporation would show up as a business purchase. The blind corp was the one under investigation.

Have to follow the money... follow the money... But damn 5000 a hour, WOO

xTYBALTx · 03-12-2008, 11:43 AM

A Call Girls' View of the Spitzer Affair

**Augustus Gloop** · 03-12-2008, 12:24 PM

Senator Bruno has just confirmed that he will be assuming the duties of the Lt. Govenor when Spitzer officially resigns.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dai...easure-in.html

Bruno asserted that the Constitution is "clear" on the role he will assume when LG David Paterson moves up to become governor.

Techincally speaking, the seat of the LG will remain empty, but Bruno will assume all the duties of the LG, which includes the tie-breaking vote in the Senate, should that chamber find itself deadlocked, and would be acting governor in the event that Paterson is incapacitated or leaves the state.

The misspelling in the quote is probably due to the fact that this was posted less than 10 minutes after the press conference.

Kerostasis · 03-12-2008, 02:02 PM

Spitzer gave a pretty good resignation speech today. He's pretty well satisfied me on the matter -- he screwed up, took the heat, resigned, and we can move on.

Of course its more likely that the scandal will take on a life of its own like the Foley incident back in '06, when Foley resigned within hours of the scandal breaking, and the news media insisted on continuing to beat on a dead horse for the next 2 months straight to try and influence election results. But maybe we'll be lucky and I'll be proven wrong here.

Switchcraft · 03-12-2008, 02:15 PM

I disagree. I don't think "resigning" should be the only penalty for Spitzer. His entire career has been based on draconian use of often obscure financial laws, and it seems fairly certain that he has committed a federal financial crime.

Quitting your job should not mean you get to avoid prosecution for things like wire fraud.

**Augustus Gloop** · 03-12-2008, 02:17 PM

He won't avoid prosecution, as far as I know only the president gets to do that. However, building the case against him will take a LONG time.

Kerostasis · 03-12-2008, 02:22 PM

I must have missed the part where any of his financial transactions were illegal. As far as I know, the only thing he did that was technically against the law was soliciting sex for money. We might also get a Mann-act prosecution for transporting the woman across state lines for the purposes of sex. But the actual moving of money was merely suspicious, not illegal.

xTYBALTx · 03-12-2008, 02:27 PM

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Excessive prosecutorial zeal + even more excessive prosecutorial zeal = Still wrong.

**Augustus Gloop** · 03-12-2008, 02:32 PM

I think they might also get him on money laundering, since concealing the transfer of money for illegal purposes is also illegal.

xTYBALTx · 03-12-2008, 02:40 PM

The list of crimes he could be charged with is just disgusting. Our country is sick in the head if this sort of prosecution occurs.

Switchcraft · 03-12-2008, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerostasis

I must have missed the part where any of his financial transactions were illegal. As far as I know, the only thing he did that was technically against the law was soliciting sex for money. We might also get a Mann-act prosecution for transporting the woman across state lines for the purposes of sex. But the actual moving of money was merely suspicious, not illegal.

The crime actually carries the delightful name of "Smurfing." Telling a bank to alter wire transfer records after the fact, (reports in the media say that he went to his bank after a transaction and asked them to remove his name from the wire transfers) would seem to be a pretty clear violation:

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Originally Posted by § 5324. Structuring transactions to evade reporting requirement prohibited

(a) Domestic Coin and Currency Transactions Involving Financial Institutions.— No person shall, for the purpose of evading the reporting requirements of section 5313 (a) or 5325 or any regulation prescribed under any such section, the reporting or recordkeeping requirements imposed by any order issued under section 5326, or the recordkeeping requirements imposed by any regulation prescribed under section 21 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act or section 123 of Public Law 91–508—
(1) cause or attempt to cause a domestic financial institution to fail to file a report required under section 5313 (a) or 5325 or any regulation prescribed under any such section, to file a report or to maintain a record required by an order issued under section 5326, or to maintain a record required pursuant to any regulation prescribed under section 21 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act or section 123 of Public Law 91–508;
(2) cause or attempt to cause a domestic financial institution to file a report required under section 5313 (a) or 5325 or any regulation prescribed under any such section, to file a report or to maintain a record required by any order issued under section 5326, or to maintain a record required pursuant to any regulation prescribed under section 5326, or to maintain a record required pursuant to any regulation prescribed under section 21 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act or section 123 of Public Law 91–508, that contains a material omission or misstatement of fact; or
(3) structure or assist in structuring, or attempt to structure or assist in structuring, any transaction with one or more domestic financial institutions.

**Jakaleel** · 03-12-2008, 04:23 PM

Like Randy Cunningham, Eliot Spitzer has violated the Public Trust. The federal prosecutors should throw the book at him and not be light because he has a family.

Switchcraft · 03-12-2008, 05:55 PM

Also, in his first couple of months as governer, Spitzer got a law passed addressing this issue: "the toughest and most comprehensive anti-sex-trade law in the nation." The legislation was designed to harshly punish those to frequent prostitutes, and also to resolve jurisdictional issues in order to make sure New York law could punish those involved with "sex tourism" from New York to other locales.

This kind of behaviour is not just some obscure "technical" violation of an ancient law. This is exactly how and why Sptizer got elected: because he promised the people of New York he would punish those who committed these acts. To then expect the people would not wish to see him punished by the laws they asked him to pass is silly.

xTYBALTx · 03-13-2008, 12:33 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/NY-Gov...6b0f6f60c62fb5

Chevy Nick · 03-13-2008, 06:29 AM

I'll reserve judgment until I see pics of the escorts.

03-12-2008, 11:43 AM	#32 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,919	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring A Call Girls' View of the Spitzer Affair __________________ A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

03-12-2008, 12:24 PM	#33 (permalink)
Augustus Gloop Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gone for the weekend folks! Age: 32 Posts: 2,589	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring Senator Bruno has just confirmed that he will be assuming the duties of the Lt. Govenor when Spitzer officially resigns. http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dai...easure-in.html Bruno asserted that the Constitution is "clear" on the role he will assume when LG David Paterson moves up to become governor. Techincally speaking, the seat of the LG will remain empty, but Bruno will assume all the duties of the LG, which includes the tie-breaking vote in the Senate, should that chamber find itself deadlocked, and would be acting governor in the event that Paterson is incapacitated or leaves the state. The misspelling in the quote is probably due to the fact that this was posted less than 10 minutes after the press conference. __________________

03-12-2008, 02:15 PM	#35 (permalink)
Switchcraft Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY Age: 31 Posts: 1,096	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring I disagree. I don't think "resigning" should be the only penalty for Spitzer. His entire career has been based on draconian use of often obscure financial laws, and it seems fairly certain that he has committed a federal financial crime. Quitting your job should not mean you get to avoid prosecution for things like wire fraud.

03-12-2008, 02:17 PM	#36 (permalink)
Augustus Gloop Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gone for the weekend folks! Age: 32 Posts: 2,589	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring He won't avoid prosecution, as far as I know only the president gets to do that. However, building the case against him will take a LONG time. __________________

03-12-2008, 02:27 PM	#38 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,919	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring Two wrongs don't make a right. Excessive prosecutorial zeal + even more excessive prosecutorial zeal = Still wrong. __________________ A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

03-12-2008, 02:32 PM	#39 (permalink)
Augustus Gloop Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gone for the weekend folks! Age: 32 Posts: 2,589	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring I think they might also get him on money laundering, since concealing the transfer of money for illegal purposes is also illegal. __________________

03-12-2008, 02:40 PM	#40 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,919	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring The list of crimes he could be charged with is just disgusting. Our country is sick in the head if this sort of prosecution occurs. __________________ A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

03-12-2008, 04:23 PM	#42 (permalink)
Jakaleel Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Capital District Posts: 519	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring Like Randy Cunningham, Eliot Spitzer has violated the Public Trust. The federal prosecutors should throw the book at him and not be light because he has a family. __________________ \|TG-21\| Jakaleel SAAW Team New to TG? Start here - 21st Tactical Wiki -There are some forms of insanity which, driven to an ultimate expression, can become the new models of sanity. --BuSab Manual Ad mortem talem navis et peditis Audentis Fortuna iuvat

03-12-2008, 05:55 PM	#43 (permalink)
Switchcraft Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY Age: 31 Posts: 1,096	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring Also, in his first couple of months as governer, Spitzer got a law passed addressing this issue: "the toughest and most comprehensive anti-sex-trade law in the nation." The legislation was designed to harshly punish those to frequent prostitutes, and also to resolve jurisdictional issues in order to make sure New York law could punish those involved with "sex tourism" from New York to other locales. This kind of behaviour is not just some obscure "technical" violation of an ancient law. This is exactly how and why Sptizer got elected: because he promised the people of New York he would punish those who committed these acts. To then expect the people would not wish to see him punished by the laws they asked him to pass is silly.

03-13-2008, 12:33 AM	#44 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,919	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/NY-Gov...6b0f6f60c62fb5 __________________ A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

03-13-2008, 06:29 AM	#45 (permalink)
Chevy Nick Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Seoul, Korea Posts: 27	Re: New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer announces his involvement with a prostitution ring I'll reserve judgment until I see pics of the escorts.

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