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She signed a plea agreement for a 'lesser charge' thinking that would get rid of any points, happy to just pay the fine and be rid of it. When I explained to her that she may still be hit with points by her own state (not PA, where the ticket was issued) she was doubly pissed. She is now appealing the ruling even though she signed a plea bargan. Guilty convictions can be appealed even if you pled guilty.

I'll get a copy of the appeal form and post it for you so you can see the judicial process at work.


--- IMPORTANT LIGHT UNDER 3 SECONDS ---
As far as I've been able to determine, federal regulations require that lights be NO SHORTER than 3 second yellows under ANY circumstance. So if you got in trouble for a light that is under 3 seconds, you should definately be able to have the charge dismissed if you're willing to show up in court and explain that.

--- ACLU ---
I'm trying to figure out a good way to bring this up with them. At first it doesn't seem to fall under their mandate, but being extorted by the government certainly doesn't promote civil liberties.

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The appeals has begun!

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Rincewind

VERY interesting:

http://www.motorists.org/blog/red-li...s-unnecessary/

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BleedingKnee

Good luck Switch. You are not alone in this - you may want to check this site:
http://www.thenewspaper.com/
It's dedicated to what you're trying to do.

Esp. check this out: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp
That's about recent red light camera studies. There are details on studies that show how reducing a the length of the yellow increases accidents.

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Switch

Thanks for the links, useful stuff.

To clarify, there are no traffic light cameras involved in my case here. Just a yellow light set too short. Same issue, but in this case a real cop wrote the ticket.

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CingularDuality

You seem pretty sure of yourself... I always thought most states only required that you ENTER the intersection before the light turns red (think about left turn yields).

http://public.findlaw.com/traffic-ti...ight-laws.html

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Elwenil

Maybe it's different for non-commercial vehicles I specifically remember having this discussion with a few of my classmates, two instructors and a VA DMV representative. The rep said that the trailer must clear the intersection before the red.

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CingularDuality

Hmmm, well, that's not the law in Virginia:
And if you have a CDL, you know that commercial vehicles must follow the same laws as non-commercial vehicles, plus some extra regulations!

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I know, I read that, but in any case, that is what I was told. And yes, I do have a CDL in VA.

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War.mongeR1

This might be of interest to you...
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nal-trend.html

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Switch

As it turns out a friend of a friend is a civil engi -- I'll be meeting up with her this week to discuss the situation, she's very interested and will help in calling shenanigans on this.



The appeals date has also been verified, its in may -- don't recall the date off the top of my head.

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To add more detail to the previous comment, it turns out my friend Lauri is a TRAFFIC ENGINEER! I had no idea until recently.

She has full access to tons of state and federal traffic regulations and standards. She has all the formulas at her fignertips... I'm meeting her for dinner next week and together we shall give PA traffic regulations a new #$hole!

She's going to look up everything I need and provide an engineers assessment for what is or is not proper.

GREAT SUCCESS!

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Rincewind

It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.

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Dammit, just when I thought I had that tune out of my head!

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