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Old 03-20-2008, 11:19 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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Way to judge people based on nothing but a picture, your opinions, and pathetic stereotypes.

Come on you have to reckon that the people pictured in 3,10,11,14,15 are a little scary, they are stereotypes themselves.
Aren't pictures supposed let people make a judgment about things?
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:28 AM   #17 (permalink)
 
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Come on you have to reckon that the people pictured in 3,10,11,14,15 are a little scary, they are stereotypes themselves.
Aren't pictures supposed let people make a judgment about things?
I thought they were meant to expose us to different cultures and things we don't normally see, thus possibly challenging our ways of thinking. But that's just my take on photographic journals and such.
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Old 03-20-2008, 12:04 PM   #18 (permalink)
 
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Some of them look like collectors, and there's nothing wrong with that. But some look their lives revolve around guns. Besides, no one lets a kid hold a gun, loaded or not.
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I thought they were meant to expose us to different cultures and things we don't normally see, thus possibly challenging our ways of thinking. But that's just my take on photographic journals and such.

Indeed you are correct but these photos help reinforce preconceived ideas that some people have.
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Some of them look like collectors, and there's nothing wrong with that. But some look their lives revolve around guns. Besides, no one lets a kid hold a gun, loaded or not.
No one lets a kid hold a gun??? I started shooting pistols and rifles when I was like 6. I've been exposed to them my whole life. As most gun happy families I've known, my dad stressed gun safety very much so. When I was a kid, I failed to point an UNLOADED gun downrange and my dad and several other men started yelling at me and struck fear into me. I never pointed a gun near a human being again. I never pointed one at anyone ever, but the fact that it wasn't pointed the right way was reason enough to get after me.

I was never much of a hunter, but my dad took me on a couple trips when I was also very little. I killed a deer and then saw the massive damage a gun could do. I felt bad for the deer as I blew a whole through its neck that didn't kill it instantly. Had to chase it down about a quarter mile. Those trips made me respect guns and life much more than many people get the opportunity to. I know it sounds crazy, but as much as I don't enjoy deer hunting, I think it's important for little boys to realize what guns can do and to learn to respect life. BTW, we never trophy hunted. My dad did it solely for meat and anything else we could salvage off the animal. Makes you wonder how many of these school rampage killers hunted growing up. I haven't heard of a single one.
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The rifle one might choose to hunt elk on a mountain in Colorado is very different than the choice for clearing rabbits out of your garden.
I have used a .30-30 (even .30-06) to kill rabbits, and skunks and all kinds of varmints.

A 223 would be adequate but if it is what you have ammo for and that skunk or armadillo is in the yard you use it.

Of course the reverse isn't true. Never use a 223 to hunt elk, or even a 30-30 for that matter.

But I do have a soft spot for the .30 WCF (30-30) lever action. It was my first "real" rifle. My mother bought it for me, used, from a local guy. The front site was bent and I had to adjust to that. Never even fired one shot at an actual deer. But I loved that thing.

I still have it at my brothers house. Wonderful rifle.

Still, a couple of those people did seem a bit off. Especially the guy with the .50 cal rounds.
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Aren't pictures supposed let people make a judgment about things?
Sure, take this guy...




Seems like a likeable enough fellow from the picture. He must be friendly, since he's smiling and waving to the crowd; he's probably somebody's kindly grandfather. Maybe he's the president of a local social club and he's trying to recruit new members. Or, with those fancy boots, maybe he's a fashion designer showing off his latest creations....
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Seems like a likeable enough fellow from the picture. He must be friendly, since he's smiling and waving to the crowd; he's probably somebody's kindly grandfather. Maybe he's the president of a local social club and he's trying to recruit new members. Or, with those fancy boots, maybe he's a fashion designer showing off his latest creations....

He does have a funny little mustache kinda like Charlie Chaplin(why does know one ware these anymore? must be because they are mullets for facists) and waves alot with his right hand.
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But I do have a soft spot for the .30 WCF (30-30) lever action. It was my first "real" rifle. My mother bought it for me, used, from a local guy. The front site was bent and I had to adjust to that. Never even fired one shot at an actual deer. But I loved that thing.
Doesn't everyone? That was my first non .22 hunting rifle. Something about the classic 30-30 lever action....magic I say.

Do you think that maybe .30-06 is a little overkill for a rabbit? Is there anything left?
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Okay, I'm not saying that guns are evil and that they should be banned. I have used a gun before (.22 rifle, with the Air Cadets), and I enjoyed it, though I wouldn't want a gun myself. I'm just saying that that's a lot of guns to have. I'm not saying that those people with guns are 'lunatics', I can think of times when a gun would be useful to have around. I don't know what they use their guns for, maybe professional shooting competitions or something. I will edit my previous comment if you find it offensive, but I honestly didn't mean to cause offense, so I am sorry.
It's alright Westy

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Doesn't everyone? That was my first non .22 hunting rifle. Something about the classic 30-30 lever action....magic I say.

Do you think that maybe .30-06 is a little overkill for a rabbit? Is there anything left?
Yes. It actually did little damage and went right through the animal. Even ate them.

But really I used it (the 30-30) more on skunks and armadillos. Those things are tough. I put two #2 (I think, it was my turkey load) 12 gauge shells in a skunk once and the thing just waddled off.

The 30-30 always did what was desired.
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It's alright Westy

My post was late at night, so I didn't put much effort into making it PC, or putting magical strawberry cream to soften it up.

Nothing against you personally

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Some of them look like collectors, and there's nothing wrong with that. But some look their lives revolve around guns. Besides, no one lets a kid hold a gun, loaded or not.
I kinda disagree with that. If you are going to be in a house with firearms you have to teach them early and make sure they are comfortable with them.

You also don't want them looking at them as the forbidin fruit. So tempting.

But I have seen parents that are really stupid when it comes to guns and kids. One laughed when he saw his kid point a gun at his mother and go "bang".
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Mmmm, magical strawberry cream....


FYI, I'm definitely getting my kid a rifle for his 8th birthday this year. I'm just debating whether to get him a youth rifle that will only fit him for a couple of years, or to go with a 10/22 and let him grow into it, so he'll be able to use it for the rest of his life...
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Mmmm, magical strawberry cream....


FYI, I'm definitely getting my kid a rifle for his 8th birthday this year. I'm just debating whether to get him a youth rifle that will only fit him for a couple of years, or to go with a 10/22 and let him grow into it, so he'll be able to use it for the rest of his life...

I suggest getting the one that will fit him. It is hard to learn to shoot properly if you are using a gun of the wrong size. You pick up bad habits. At least I did.

They have ones with adjustable stocks so he could use it for a bit longer.
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