Hambergler

The source is me. What other reason can there be? The justification may be anything, but the real reason is productivity. Every government or theocracy has an interest in a productive conforming society.

Here you go.
http://www.csdp.org/news/news/nixon.htm

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ScratchMonkey

Wow, nice resource. Reading through it now....

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Fenian420

Nuck Fixon.. probably bushes rolemodel.. I hate it how its only the good presidents that get assassinated.

Jews and marijuana: "I see another thing in the news summary this morning about it. That's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? I suppose it's because most of them are psychiatrists . . ."

Wasnt the US still sponsering Israel still at this time??

Fenian420

Instead of making a new thread, decided a new post would be fine;

Happy 4/20 everybody, stay safe, have a good time, kick back relax, hope you have quite a pleasant day..

RGM-79N_GM_CUstom

BOOOOOOO.

Sigh I can't even leave the house. BOOOOOOOO

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I will never, ever do illegal drugs.
1) they are illegal. I don't care how good something makes you feel. If it is illegal, you are less than bright to do it IMO. Is that nice feeling really worth the chance of the crap that could fall on you for it? Sure, any arrest for mere possession will most likely be some minor thing, but problems could still result.
2) As a teacher of the at-risk population, I have seen so many students who smoked and tried to convince me of how it wasn't bad. Perhaps they were idiots to begin with, but I have never had a successful student admit to me they smoked. (That might be why they are successful, they know to hide and how to hide it). So I know my view isn't exactly scientific, but I honestly don't care.

One of my friends had aproblem with drugs. It took him a long time to get clean. But weed (and later another drug, forget which) totally screwed up his life. Majorly.

True story at the school I used to teach at:
2 kids get dropped off at school. They don't come inside. Intead, they wander around the neighborhood smoking weed. They come to school late and higher than a kite. I was called to the office to talk to them because they were in my homeroom class. As they are sitting there in handcuffs, they tell me what they think their mistake was:
When the teacher said they smelled like weed, they should have fled the building.
It wasn't that they smoked it. It wasn't that they skipped some school to smoke it. It wasn't that they came to school high and in possession. These were not their mistakes, oh no. It was that they didn't run away when the teacher commented that they smelled. This is a pretty typical view of my students on weed.

I also remember the Drugs and Behavior Psychology class I took in college. I remember one of the studies (kind of). I wish I remembered the drug. But they ahd 4 drugged guys in a car. They had rigged it so they couldn't actually drive it. The 4 guys began to have a long discussion about whether the car was really moving. You would think the driver would know. They solved the debat by having one of them open the door and stand up. Yee haW!

While I am sure there are people out there that smoke/snort/squirt/fart/whatever drugs into their bodies and still do OK in life, I have seen so many people screw it up that I in now way am ever going to take the chance. I am probably one of those that would screw up my life majorly. Heck... I'm addicted to Counter strike and that isn't even a drug! DOH!

I also worry about the number of students and even one friend who told me that smoking weed made them a better driver. Daaaaang. Get the heck out of my city, people.

Intelligence: My friend and I used to play D&D with a bunch of mensa members. They said it really wasn't being smarter so much as a WAY of thinking.

And just to help you all out: yes.... you really are as dumb/smart/mediocre as you think. Don't listen to those who tell you otherwise. In fact, beat them with a wiffle ball bat and eat their brains. That's how you get smarter. BRRAAAAAAAAAINS!

DAaaaaaaanng.... What does that say about me? I once killed off my entire team in ghost recon with an MMI! And I regularly shoot team mates in counter strike. (mmm.... I'll just say it's because they deserved it... can't admit I didn't know they were on my team... dang)

Never happen. How much is the taxes on cigarrets? They would feel it was OK to tax weed MORE because it is a 'worse' habbit. I'm just glad they don't tax coca-cola classic more than the sales tax! (5 cent depost? WHAT THE!???!!? I WILL KILL YOU!)

Question: Do they have a test to determine how stoned you are? Like the breathalizer for alcohol? Because if it was legalized, they'd have to find some way to test for over the limit.

Is this where we begin naming all the deadly substances that grow naturally?

And I must really be low IQ or stoned.. happy 4/20? What the heck?

I demand someone figure out a way to seperate these two threads... It's just too weird.

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stickyjeans69

Well the failures you mention are Unfortunate I've seen a few too. However for myself working on my Pilots license and going to College next year I'd like to see myself in a different Mirror.

I've tried a Lot of things starting when i was about 13 including;

Ganj
Coca
Crack
Smack
Opium
Oxycodone
DMT
Lysergic Acid Diethylamide 25
Salvia
Ecstasy
Ketamine
Meth
and a nice assortment of Mushrooms

As you can see I've ran a lot of things through my body and my ability to find 2+2=4 is still quite intact . I think Drugs can be mind opening and make you see things in a different light. I've seen firsthand how Straight Crackhead turns into Thief turns into Bi-sexual Crackhead turns into Bum (happened to somebody i considered a friend).
Mind over Matter.

I'm really interested in Absinthe now

Many of the smartest kids at my school as of the moment smoke weed on a regular Basis. then again in a recent poll, something like 80% of my school smoke weed. weed doesn't ruin lives, stupid kids making the wrong decisions do.

"Is this where we begin naming all the deadly substances that grow naturally?"

No it's where you realize that many things put on this earth are not deadly, but rather enjoyable and CAN be used responsibly. Coca as Used in Bolivia is like Coffee. You chew the leaves and the Natural level of Cocaine wakes you up. It works a bit like Caffeine. Do you not drink Coffee? I personally like the active ingredient Extracted and then Snorted or Cooked into a "Rock" of Cocaine and Baking Soda and Smoked through a Rose Pipe


The point is Making a Huge deal over the Less addictive drugs is like making a Huge deal over Alcohol. the affects of weed i assure you are much less then those of alcohol. Nobody Dies from Weed Poisoning.

Drugs Like Crack where High doses of the Stimulant Cocaine all immediately enter the Blood stream and reach Peak affects within 10 seconds are Dangerous. that's when people quickly and seriously alter their Behavior with the only thought of..........More.......

Legalize Marijuana

Legalize Cocaine and Keep limits on Daily Purchase or Consumption

Opiates stay Scheduled

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lol you answered your own question.



ROFL!!! Anyone who is trying to fart drugs into their bodies is NOT doing OK in life I can assure you.... xD holy crap that is still a funny picture in my mind though.

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Bisclaveret

I have not and most likely will not ever take cannabis, shrooms, etc. even though I do frequent a friend and coworker's house where such is freely available (how they do it, I don't know). It's more or less the social stigma, as well as work hiring repercussions for me. My work does random drug testing, for example.

The only "drug" I've currently tried was salvia (not federally illegal, but a few cities/communities are trying to ban it anyway by themselves, including the next town over). Only tried it on the aspect that "hey, it's not illegal (yet) And I might as well have something to tell my kids/grandkids about when they try some SpaceCannibis in the future. In my opinion, it's pretty stupid trying to ban it. Found it to be a very harsh high, definitely not something to do around others or pass around to other people (as people have said) and the effects appear almost immediately and leave just as quickly, so it's definitely not something teens looking for a fix would ever want, with no cravings or really any apparent aftereffects besides a bit of a piercing clarity/focus for a while.

I've only done it a few times, some with the straight leaves and the rest with a 25x extract of the main ingredient, but I feel no real need or compulsion to do it again, which has been the experience of a lot of people who've tried it that I asked. Either they thought it would be a hallucinogenic like acid or shrooms, or "legal pot" like the banners state, or they thought it was like a party drug like pot because it's recommended to take it with a water pipe and were looking for a cheap high, and got bitten by the pretty harsh effects. They just basically say "salvia? yeah... man, didn't like feeling like my face was melting off my head" etc, heh.

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Since I know that you're neither: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture)

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Stickyjeans, I understand that. I think it is great that you (and many others I am sure) are doing so well. But I just wouldn't take that chance. I've just seen too many get screwed up by them. Sure I MIGHT be ok... but I don't know. And this brain is a bit too important to me to chance it. Especially with a wife and a 2 year old.

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Yeah, Feeling like you're falling into another Dimension and not remembering the names of the faces you see during your "Trip" but knowing there's some connection almost like seeing a person on the street you dont know and thinking you remember them was definitely the worst part for me.

(fun drug story)

I recall my friend picked this stuff up for me since he lived in the city and I didn't. he came over and sat down in my room wearing a heavy coat. I grabbed a chair across from him and dragged it over so we where within a couple feet of eachother. He loaded the bong with a full bowl for me and it all went to Ash very easily, Quickburning stuff. after i took my full hit i held it in for about 20-30 seconds and blew out

I felt in this order over ten seconds

Sober
High
Drunk
****ing Wasted
Tunnel vision
Unbearable Laughter

Everythings now White and the only thing in this endless expanse of "Whiteworld" is my friend. He's wearing a White shirt and some Blue jeans im sitting there Laughing at him and he has me by the shoulders and is laughing right infront of my face I cant remember who he is and while im laughing histarically I start getting a little scared. after this phase I ended up rocking back and forth in a sea of White Rubber "Fingers"


almost like the ones on that shoe but Longer bigger and softer im able to easily move through them and I can't get out of them!!!! My friend David is Yelling at me to Come with him and 1 I dont remember who he is. 2. I can move through these things, everytime I go about 3 feet forward i get pulled back to my original position and its freaking my the #()*$ out Finally I can see a Clearing it seems in this endless expanse and I see a town that almost looks like something from a Childrens book.

The Trip ends over about 10-15 seconds and im back in my room

I look around and can't remember who's infront of me but about 15 seconds after that My Brain finds a match with a face-name so Im like dude im gonna go get some water. Not enjoyable to me

Fwiw my friend wasnt wearing a white T-Shirt he was wearing a Heavy coat and in real life those Blue jeans where Brown Corduroys

I'd rather stick to Acid. Colors Moving Patterns and Melting People are much more fun then Salvia. especially because you still have your mind, you know who people are and you can keep from freaking out because you know you had two hits of acid an hour ago

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Ok. I can understand weed and shrooms.

But anything engineered or produced...? Those are hard drugs. Why the HELL would you ever try meth or crack?

Give me one good reason.

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Fenian420

Same thought, although I have tried ectasy, regret it, you become stupid as s**t afterwards. Heh you really are gonna have to change to become a pilot.. But yea salvia's fun, just f***ing crazy though.

To Skylark: I dont know how it is in Kansas but most my old stoner friends here hold atleast a 2.7 or higher, 4.0 is the highest which is from a chick that I used to smoke everyday with and would occasionally shroom with. Weed to me has never taken over or messed up my life once, everything I do I take responsibility for and accept. I'm the only one that can change my life

ScratchMonkey

Illegal drugs have the problem that you can't know what's really in them (unless you're the producer, which elevates your legal exposure quite a bit). Were pot illegal, I can see myself using it in cooking at about the same frequency I consume alcohol (ie. rarely, like last night when I put some port in some pasta).

If we need to criminalize stuff because it's deadly, we need to outlaw bleach, and a lot of other household chemicals.

Instead of criminalizing the chemicals we ingest (or firing someone for having them in the blood), do so for the effects we want to stop. For driving and operating machinery and other issues where safety is involved, test for ability to perform the task, not for the chemistry in one's blood. Except that you might have to arrest sober but incompetent people, like the old lady who can't stay in her lane. But if safety is your objective, that's who you should be arresting.

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