Cannabis in TG - Page 3

**AMosely** · 03-21-2008, 11:41 AM

I participated in some unscientific tests during college and our unofficial conclusion was that IQ goes way up after smoking the ganja. It consequently goes back down upon returning the the real world. Who's to say where the problem truly lies, if one exists at all?

My official response. Anyone who passes judgment on drugs based on American law (i.e. 'I don't do illegal drugs.') should expand their argument, or at least understand the untruths and discrepancies in American drug laws. American pharmacies dole out far more harsher drugs than marijuana to children under the age of 8. It would be difficult to make America's drug policies more ineffective, hipocritical and self-defeating. Marijuana is a mild depressant, only abused by individuals who have a tendency towards abuse and a lack of self-control. Millions of perfectly normal people have and do use it without any ill-effects; in fact to the contrary, there are a significant amount of benefits derived from moderate and responsible use of THC. In my opinion the drug was made illegal for political reasons and should be made legal again under regulation and law similar to alcohol and tobacco.

GlobalWarmin · 03-21-2008, 12:02 PM

Claiming to have an IQ above or even around 160 is the literally same thing as claiming yourself to be one of the most gifted minds the human race has ever produced. I think it's like .01 percent of the population that is said to be 160 and above.

I bet few people here would think of themselves as "normal intelligence", although certainly the majority of those viewing this are, and that is fine. But, seeing these misguided claims that people here believe they are elite geniuses isn't something I can read without laughing and commenting.

On topic:

Alcohol is worse for your brain, your body, and society than marijuana is, and I'm betting everyone here who is opposed to marijuana drinks alcohol. There is a mountain of research to back those claims up. I used to buy the hype about marijuana too, but I realized the only way to know for sure was to try it myself. I've also had cancer, and marijuana was the only drug that stopped me from being violently ill after my radiation treatments. Unfortunately, it took me several weeks to figure that out.

Furthermore, I have a close friend who is getting his associate degree in electrical engineering this very day, with honors, who smokes pot every single day, all day.

Fenian420 · 03-21-2008, 12:17 PM

haha, was wondering what would happen to this thread, didnt expect it to become a topic about IQs though...

On AMosely's post:
Entirely agreeing with you, main reason they banned cannabis in the United States is largely believed to be from white racists that basiclly controlled the country in the early 1900s.. (Mexicans brought cannabis from Mexico when Legally moving to the US, Whites saw them as taking their jobs, connected cannabis to mexicans and said that Mexicans are bad as well as anything that comes from them).
The only worry I have about cannabis becoming legal is that companies will sell it with stuff like nicotine in the product and all that like tobacco in cigarettes, although cigars dont have nicotine in them from what I know so their is two different main distributing techniques for tobacco I guess...

To GlobalWarmin's: Same opinions when comparing alcohol to weed, as you cant control yourself when drunk which is a lot of the reason why drunk drivers say they could just drive fine or its not that far away and blah blah blah when they get pulled over. On the part where you say that its worse for society...; Alcohol has its benefits and negatives, IMO only thing thats truely bad for society is the nicotine filled stuff and other things that companies supposedly have chemicals that are also found in rat poison and w\e (sayin from what the nostankyou w\e commercials are showin).. (Ive never smoked a single cigarette in my life, only thing I'll ever smoke are blacks, and thats like twice a year only type of thing)
And I doubt that everyone opposed to weed drinks alcohol, alot of people just dont like drugs overall and some probably want everything criminalized.

leejo · 03-21-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GlobalWarmin

Claiming to have an IQ above or even around 160 is the literally same thing as claiming yourself to be one of the most gifted minds the human race has ever produced. I think it's like .01 percent of the population that is said to be 160 and above.

I bet few people here would think of themselves as "normal intelligence", although certainly the majority bf those viewing this are, and that is fine. But, seeing these misguided claims that people here believe they are elite geniuses isn't something I can read without laughing and commenting.

Laugh away buddy. I saw the score. I make the money and live in the house. I will try to get over the pain of your scorn.

Pop quiz: what's .01 percent of 301 million, the US population? Divide that by 50 states. Still think it would be amazingly weird to bump into a couple of people in that .01 percent?

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Furthermore, I have a close friend who is getting his associate degree in electrical engineering this very day, with honors, who smokes pot every single day, all day.

You have a friend who's getting an ASSOCIATES degree?! Wow! Great story.

**sc1ence** · 03-21-2008, 12:55 PM

The research on the cognitive effects both long and short term of pot use are woefully inadequate.

Doing research on the cognitive effects of pot in the USA is like doing research on aliens or ESP, you only do it when you decide you no longer really like being employed as a researcher.

No one trusts the dutch research on the topic (they are in the unique position to do socially acceptable research due to the legal status of pot there.)

If I started an experiment on the effects of pot smoking I would probably get on CNN and then get suspended from my position as a researcher and professor on some trumped up ethics charge like academic dishonesty for mislabeling some source citation...

On the topic of intelligence:
Intelligence is one of the most ill defined concepts in all of psychology. Essentially, you have 2 types of intelligence, you have abstract intelligence (think of this like your raw CPU speed), then you have domain specific intelligence (think of this as the programs that run on this cpu).

Domain intelligence increases with experience while abstract intelligence remains unchanged with experience.. Measuring domain specific intelligence is easy; this is your basic math test grade or score in a video game. Abstract intelligence is very difficult to measure

Measuring abstract intelligence is difficult for the following 3 reasons.
1. Abstract intelligence is an ill-defined concept. How do you measure something if you don't know what it is?
2. Assuming you have a theory of it, abstract intelligence is not directly observable. I cannot open your brain and read your CPU speed or intelligence rating. I have to benchmark you through testing. And my benchmark (intelligence test) may stress different aspects of your intelligence than another benchmark.
3. You can not separate domain specific intelligence from abstract intelligence. So you have to estimate abstract intelligence from your measures of domain specific intelligence.

Most major intelligence tests give a single intelligence score to summarize both domain AND abstract intelligence. Most scale this score to a normal distribution with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15.

My intelligence score as measured by several instruments has varied by as much as 50 points in my lifetime. Above 130 is generally considered genius by most theorists, but some argue that a score for “genius” should be 3 or 4 standard deviations out rather than just 2.

Most people do not show much variability in how much their intelligence changes over a lifetime.

**sordavie** · 03-21-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by leejo

Laugh away buddy. I saw the score. I make the money and live in the house. I will try to get over the pain of your scorn.

Pop quiz: what's .01 percent of 301 million, the US population? Divide that by 50 states. Still think it would be amazingly weird to bump into a couple of people in that .01 percent?

Yes, but a 167 on the most commonly given test would be .0000003 of the population. I think it would be amazingly weird to bump in to a couple those people.

Switch · 03-21-2008, 01:23 PM

Lets bring this thread back on topic

>> THC advocacy

**Gogeta** · 03-21-2008, 01:27 PM

Fo real... everyone in here with all this tension needs to just chill, boyn one, and calm the hell down, maybe even fall off their corrective high horses once in a while.

**TheFatKidDeath** · 03-21-2008, 01:34 PM

I've smoked but did not inhale

Have not smoked in quite some time and quite frankly I was never really impressed with the effects. It always made my clothes and fingers stink.

Generally speaking, I can't stand the drug, tobacco and alcohol culture in this country as it's a mixture of bad decisions, cheesiness, unending marketing and hysteria. I'd support the decriminalization of recreational drugs.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 03-21-2008, 01:37 PM

I Love Beer!

leejo · 03-21-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sordavie

Yes, but a 167 on the most commonly given test would be .0000003 of the population. I think it would be amazingly weird to bump in to a couple those people.

OK well that is more rare. Only 90 such folks in the US.

Well, consider yourself one very lucky dude to be graced with such company! Or call me a liar. Or whatever. Sorry for the distraction. Like the other poster I took an IQ test 3 or 4 times when I was a kid and never learned the score until I was 21 and took a test again at a hospital and the other tests came up in discussion. I had gotten a good whack to my noggin several months prior and had been getting headaches and other problems, so they ran me through about every brain test you can give. This was one.

Anyway, I don't list the IQ score on my resume and it hasn't come up in any conversation in almost 20 years, so I think I'm about done talking about it now. Y'all can hate or appreciate. leejo out.

Hambergler · 03-21-2008, 05:22 PM

Pot stunts emotional growth. I have friends who have been smoking for 15+ years and they pretty much have the same emotional capacity of when they started toking. 14yold boys in 32 year old mens bodies. Its like Webster in reverse.

**WhiskeySix** · 03-21-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hambergler

14yold boys in 32 year old mens bodies.

wait... what? that's not normal?

Fenian420 · 03-21-2008, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiskeySix

wait... what? that's not normal?

Hahaha, exactly 32 years old....

Ehh, I know some parents that smoke that are somewhat like that but I know alot of parents like that that dont smoke at all and just drink..(not out of control drinking though)
I also know parents who smoke with their kids every once and awhile but they're also the nicest people youll ever meet and they take care of the bills like everybody else, take care of their kids, and still bring in the income..

**thegreatnardini** · 03-22-2008, 06:33 PM

Most (if not all) of my friends smoke weed and drink, some on a constant basis. Some have even gone as far as LSD and cocaine. I wouldn't call all of them druggies or potheads, but some are cutting it damn close. A few have screwed their lives up pretty good, and I personally give drugs and booze some credit. Personally, I have absolutely no interest in using illegal (or legal) drugs. I find them destructive in many ways. You can claim that there are no harmful side-effects mentally of physically from weed, I know my friends like to claim that, but I doubt it. Do I have a problem with people smoking weed? No, if you want to be self destructive go right ahead. but don't be stupid about it, and don't do it around me. My uncle died from a heroin overdose, two of my grandparents have died from lung cancer due to smoking, one from heavy drinking, and both my father and uncle have nearly died while driving under the influence. So you can see that I'm a bit biased when it comes to mind altering substances, but to each his own. I'll stay in control of my faculties, thank you very much.

03-21-2008, 11:41 AM	#31 (permalink)
AMosely Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maine Age: 33 Posts: 2,226	Re: Cannabis in TG I participated in some unscientific tests during college and our unofficial conclusion was that IQ goes way up after smoking the ganja. It consequently goes back down upon returning the the real world. Who's to say where the problem truly lies, if one exists at all? My official response. Anyone who passes judgment on drugs based on American law (i.e. 'I don't do illegal drugs.') should expand their argument, or at least understand the untruths and discrepancies in American drug laws. American pharmacies dole out far more harsher drugs than marijuana to children under the age of 8. It would be difficult to make America's drug policies more ineffective, hipocritical and self-defeating. Marijuana is a mild depressant, only abused by individuals who have a tendency towards abuse and a lack of self-control. Millions of perfectly normal people have and do use it without any ill-effects; in fact to the contrary, there are a significant amount of benefits derived from moderate and responsible use of THC. In my opinion the drug was made illegal for political reasons and should be made legal again under regulation and law similar to alcohol and tobacco. __________________ \|TG-X\| Mosely 10th Tactical Guard Server Rules and SOP \| Kicked? Banned? READ THIS FIRST! Contact an Admin \| Nominate your teammates for a ribbon

03-21-2008, 12:02 PM	#32 (permalink)
GlobalWarmin Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Springfield, OH Age: 26 Posts: 575	Re: Cannabis in TG Claiming to have an IQ above or even around 160 is the literally same thing as claiming yourself to be one of the most gifted minds the human race has ever produced. I think it's like .01 percent of the population that is said to be 160 and above. I bet few people here would think of themselves as "normal intelligence", although certainly the majority of those viewing this are, and that is fine. But, seeing these misguided claims that people here believe they are elite geniuses isn't something I can read without laughing and commenting. On topic: Alcohol is worse for your brain, your body, and society than marijuana is, and I'm betting everyone here who is opposed to marijuana drinks alcohol. There is a mountain of research to back those claims up. I used to buy the hype about marijuana too, but I realized the only way to know for sure was to try it myself. I've also had cancer, and marijuana was the only drug that stopped me from being violently ill after my radiation treatments. Unfortunately, it took me several weeks to figure that out. Furthermore, I have a close friend who is getting his associate degree in electrical engineering this very day, with honors, who smokes pot every single day, all day.

03-21-2008, 12:17 PM	#33 (permalink)
Fenian420 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 555	Re: Cannabis in TG haha, was wondering what would happen to this thread, didnt expect it to become a topic about IQs though... On AMosely's post: Entirely agreeing with you, main reason they banned cannabis in the United States is largely believed to be from white racists that basiclly controlled the country in the early 1900s.. (Mexicans brought cannabis from Mexico when Legally moving to the US, Whites saw them as taking their jobs, connected cannabis to mexicans and said that Mexicans are bad as well as anything that comes from them). The only worry I have about cannabis becoming legal is that companies will sell it with stuff like nicotine in the product and all that like tobacco in cigarettes, although cigars dont have nicotine in them from what I know so their is two different main distributing techniques for tobacco I guess... To GlobalWarmin's: Same opinions when comparing alcohol to weed, as you cant control yourself when drunk which is a lot of the reason why drunk drivers say they could just drive fine or its not that far away and blah blah blah when they get pulled over. On the part where you say that its worse for society...; Alcohol has its benefits and negatives, IMO only thing thats truely bad for society is the nicotine filled stuff and other things that companies supposedly have chemicals that are also found in rat poison and w\e (sayin from what the nostankyou w\e commercials are showin).. (Ive never smoked a single cigarette in my life, only thing I'll ever smoke are blacks, and thats like twice a year only type of thing) And I doubt that everyone opposed to weed drinks alcohol, alot of people just dont like drugs overall and some probably want everything criminalized.

03-21-2008, 12:55 PM	#35 (permalink)
sc1ence Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Schenectady NY Age: 36 Posts: 3,835	Re: Cannabis in TG The research on the cognitive effects both long and short term of pot use are woefully inadequate. Doing research on the cognitive effects of pot in the USA is like doing research on aliens or ESP, you only do it when you decide you no longer really like being employed as a researcher. No one trusts the dutch research on the topic (they are in the unique position to do socially acceptable research due to the legal status of pot there.) If I started an experiment on the effects of pot smoking I would probably get on CNN and then get suspended from my position as a researcher and professor on some trumped up ethics charge like academic dishonesty for mislabeling some source citation... On the topic of intelligence: Intelligence is one of the most ill defined concepts in all of psychology. Essentially, you have 2 types of intelligence, you have abstract intelligence (think of this like your raw CPU speed), then you have domain specific intelligence (think of this as the programs that run on this cpu). Domain intelligence increases with experience while abstract intelligence remains unchanged with experience.. Measuring domain specific intelligence is easy; this is your basic math test grade or score in a video game. Abstract intelligence is very difficult to measure Measuring abstract intelligence is difficult for the following 3 reasons. 1. Abstract intelligence is an ill-defined concept. How do you measure something if you don't know what it is? 2. Assuming you have a theory of it, abstract intelligence is not directly observable. I cannot open your brain and read your CPU speed or intelligence rating. I have to benchmark you through testing. And my benchmark (intelligence test) may stress different aspects of your intelligence than another benchmark. 3. You can not separate domain specific intelligence from abstract intelligence. So you have to estimate abstract intelligence from your measures of domain specific intelligence. Most major intelligence tests give a single intelligence score to summarize both domain AND abstract intelligence. Most scale this score to a normal distribution with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15. My intelligence score as measured by several instruments has varied by as much as 50 points in my lifetime. Above 130 is generally considered genius by most theorists, but some argue that a score for “genius” should be 3 or 4 standard deviations out rather than just 2. Most people do not show much variability in how much their intelligence changes over a lifetime. __________________

03-21-2008, 01:23 PM	#37 (permalink)
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Gogeta Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Age: 31 Posts: 2,894	Re: Cannabis in TG Fo real... everyone in here with all this tension needs to just chill, boyn one, and calm the hell down, maybe even fall off their corrective high horses once in a while. __________________ *\|TG-4th\| Gogeta* Last edited by Gogeta; 03-21-2008 at 07:36 PM.

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TheFatKidDeath Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Santa Monica, CA Age: 39 Posts: 2,216	Re: Cannabis in TG I've smoked but did not inhale Have not smoked in quite some time and quite frankly I was never really impressed with the effects. It always made my clothes and fingers stink. Generally speaking, I can't stand the drug, tobacco and alcohol culture in this country as it's a mixture of bad decisions, cheesiness, unending marketing and hysteria. I'd support the decriminalization of recreational drugs. __________________ "Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet." — Robert E. Howard, The Phoenix on the Sword \|TG-9th\| TheFatKidDeath "Born to Party, Forced to Work." http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55640 - Check me out on The Onion http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...ssfully_avoids - I'm on the local news!

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Hambergler Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Age: 33 Posts: 878	Re: Cannabis in TG Pot stunts emotional growth. I have friends who have been smoking for 15+ years and they pretty much have the same emotional capacity of when they started toking. 14yold boys in 32 year old mens bodies. Its like Webster in reverse. __________________

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thegreatnardini Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philleh Posts: 1,203	Re: Cannabis in TG Most (if not all) of my friends smoke weed and drink, some on a constant basis. Some have even gone as far as LSD and cocaine. I wouldn't call all of them druggies or potheads, but some are cutting it damn close. A few have screwed their lives up pretty good, and I personally give drugs and booze some credit. Personally, I have absolutely no interest in using illegal (or legal) drugs. I find them destructive in many ways. You can claim that there are no harmful side-effects mentally of physically from weed, I know my friends like to claim that, but I doubt it. Do I have a problem with people smoking weed? No, if you want to be self destructive go right ahead. but don't be stupid about it, and don't do it around me. My uncle died from a heroin overdose, two of my grandparents have died from lung cancer due to smoking, one from heavy drinking, and both my father and uncle have nearly died while driving under the influence. So you can see that I'm a bit biased when it comes to mind altering substances, but to each his own. I'll stay in control of my faculties, thank you very much. __________________ lTG-6thl TheGreatNardini Happy Easter \| Battlefield 2 SOP's \| Kicked? Banned? Click here!!! \| Need an admin? PM me \| XFire Last edited by thegreatnardini; 03-22-2008 at 06:49 PM.

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