Cannabis in TG - Page 7

Fenian420 · 03-26-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Xen

I have noticed that in this topic no one has talked about legalizing and taxation. If it were legalized, we could tax pot just like cigerettes, alochol, and gas. If the current prices were used, $50 an 1/8th, and it was taxed @ $10-20 * 52 weeks, we would no longer have a national debt. All because, the amount of hidden or past users that just got too paranoid to continue smoking. We are seriously talking about a multi billion dollar industry that for the most part is working tax free right now. So, some low tier dealers goto jail and large amounts are seized, it doesn't stop the flow into and out of the country. And it costs all citizens more taxes to house those offenders. Just my veiw on this topic personally.

I do like your thinking yes, and if they legalized it or even somewhat just decriminalized it it could probably fund alot of the war on the actual drugs...

Personally though I think Cannabis should be like Tea, untaxed indefinitely.. although taxing it for awhile then taking taxes off of it is my main idea.

ScratchMonkey · 03-26-2008, 11:40 PM

Tax it no more than its competition, preferably less. Excessive taxation leads to smuggling, and then to a restoration of organized crime and gang violence. Observe, for example, the violence that arises from over-taxing cigarettes.

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_b...lett080702.asp

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A9639C8B63

Fenian420 · 03-27-2008, 12:58 AM

Yea but unlike cigarettes weed can be grown and ingested just like that... and Id doubt that their would be as much organized crime revolving around cannabis smuggling compared to cigarettes.

xTYBALTx · 03-27-2008, 01:35 AM

You speak of organized crime around marijuana in the hypothetical sense? As if it doesn't already exist?

**sordavie** · 03-27-2008, 02:16 AM

Fenian420 · 03-27-2008, 02:45 AM

Im talking about if it were legal, legal substances that are smuggled into and out of countries and territories to avoid paying taxes..

Greflin · 03-27-2008, 11:47 AM

Or if you hippies would get haircuts, jobs, and lay off the dope there would be no need to smuggle it.

Buck Fush · 03-27-2008, 01:25 PM

Um, I'm bald as kojak and I have held a 6-figure job for more than 10 years. Next stereotype please.

Elwenil · 03-27-2008, 01:38 PM

And I have hair to my waist and have never smoked anything, nor done any drug worse than alcohol. Agreed, stereotypes are for the simple.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 03-27-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Greflin

Or if you hippies would get haircuts, jobs, and lay off the dope there would be no need to smuggle it.

But then what would be the point of living, man.

**Razcsak** · 03-27-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Elwenil

And I have hair to my waist and have never smoked anything, nor done any drug worse than alcohol.

Doing no drug worse than alcohol doesn't mean you haven't smoked weed.

(Yes, that was tongue-in-cheek. No, I don't mean to start a debate on the dangers of alcohol compared to marijuana.)

ScratchMonkey · 03-27-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Greflin

Or if you rednecks would get haircuts, jobs, and lay off the moonshine there would be no need to smuggle it.

Fixed.

Whenever someone says something bad about pot, or claims a need for some law, I just mentally substitute "beer" to see if their claim holds water.

Buck Fush · 03-27-2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razcsak

Doing no drug worse than alcohol doesn't mean you haven't smoked weed.

(Yes, that was tongue-in-cheek. No, I don't mean to start a debate on the dangers of alcohol compared to marijuana.)

Oh no. Let's do it.

Let me see, I know I posted some stats around here, somewhere...

Kerostasis · 03-27-2008, 04:10 PM

Possession of MJ should be a misdemeanor punishable only by a fine. Committing some other crime while high on MJ should be no different than committing the same crime while drunk, like DUI for example. Then we could save an awful lot of time and effort that could be better put to use somewhere else. I don't think I'd be in favor of full legalization, but spending millions of dollars incarcerating hundreds of thousands of otherwise productive workers just for smoking pot is just not cost effective.

Buck Fush · 03-27-2008, 05:06 PM

Ah. Here it is.

And in this article they talk about the LD of alcohol. They don't put a number on it, but they do surmise that 9 drinks in one hour could kill a 100lb person. Considering that the effective dose would be one drink, the LD50 for alcohol would be rather low also.

So there really is no debate. Alcohol is WAY worse than mary.

03-26-2008, 11:40 PM	#92 (permalink)
ScratchMonkey Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Pablo, California Posts: 4,286	Re: Cannabis in TG Tax it no more than its competition, preferably less. Excessive taxation leads to smuggling, and then to a restoration of organized crime and gang violence. Observe, for example, the violence that arises from over-taxing cigarettes. http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_b...lett080702.asp http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A9639C8B63 __________________

03-27-2008, 12:58 AM	#93 (permalink)
Fenian420 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,062	Re: Cannabis in TG Yea but unlike cigarettes weed can be grown and ingested just like that... and Id doubt that their would be as much organized crime revolving around cannabis smuggling compared to cigarettes. __________________ "We seem to have lost. We have not lost. To refuse to fight would have been to lose; to fight is to win. We have kept faith with the past, and handed on a tradition to the future." - Pádraig Mac Pearse

03-27-2008, 01:35 AM	#94 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,852	Re: Cannabis in TG You speak of organized crime around marijuana in the hypothetical sense? As if it doesn't already exist? __________________ Current good song: Justice - Stress "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

03-27-2008, 02:16 AM	#95 (permalink)
sordavie Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 27 Posts: 2,109	Re: Cannabis in TG hehe __________________

03-27-2008, 02:45 AM	#96 (permalink)
Fenian420 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,062	Re: Cannabis in TG Im talking about if it were legal, legal substances that are smuggled into and out of countries and territories to avoid paying taxes.. __________________ "We seem to have lost. We have not lost. To refuse to fight would have been to lose; to fight is to win. We have kept faith with the past, and handed on a tradition to the future." - Pádraig Mac Pearse

03-27-2008, 11:47 AM	#97 (permalink)
Greflin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wichita KS Age: 27 Posts: 219	Re: Cannabis in TG Or if you hippies would get haircuts, jobs, and lay off the dope there would be no need to smuggle it.

03-27-2008, 01:25 PM	#98 (permalink)
Buck Fush Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 602	Re: Cannabis in TG Um, I'm bald as kojak and I have held a 6-figure job for more than 10 years. Next stereotype please.

03-27-2008, 01:38 PM	#99 (permalink)
Elwenil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Covington, VA USA Age: 34 Posts: 1,227	Re: Cannabis in TG And I have hair to my waist and have never smoked anything, nor done any drug worse than alcohol. Agreed, stereotypes are for the simple. __________________ \|TG\|Elwenil StullUnlimited.com Offroad Parts and Fabrication

03-27-2008, 05:06 PM	#105 (permalink)
Buck Fush Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 602	Re: Cannabis in TG Ah. Here it is. And in this article they talk about the LD of alcohol. They don't put a number on it, but they do surmise that 9 drinks in one hour could kill a 100lb person. Considering that the effective dose would be one drink, the LD50 for alcohol would be rather low also. So there really is no debate. Alcohol is WAY worse than mary.

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