Sheriff Joe Arpaio - Page 2

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 03-22-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TurkishDelight

Nice attempt at being funny

You are reading to much internet nonesense...

Humor was only a secondary goal.

War.mongeR1 · 03-22-2008, 08:20 PM

Wow. I'm amazed everyone has so much sympathy for these prisoners. And does no one care about all the positive programs? Like them growing their own vegetables and taking care of shelter animals? Maybe this guy is a little nuts, but heck, he definitely has a good grip on the prison budget, which is something most prisons cannot say. I feel that we should be spending less money on overcrowded prisons and spend more elsewhere, like wildlife conservation and environmental protection for starters.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 03-22-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by War.mongeR1

Wow. I'm amazed everyone has so much sympathy for these prisoners. And does no one care about all the positive programs? Like them growing their own vegetables and taking care of shelter animals? Maybe this guy is a little nuts, but heck, he definitely has a good grip on the prison budget, which is something most prisons cannot say. I feel that we should be spending less money on overcrowded prisons and spend more elsewhere, like wildlife conservation and environmental protection for starters.

No sympathy for the prisoners. I just don't think the government should be able to abuse and humiliate it's people.

The growing and caring of living of stuff is kinda cool though. That gets a +1 so now the guy is only -5 on the humanity scale.

Want to spend less money on prisons? Legalize and regulate drugs. We had this conversation before, didn't we?

Buckets · 03-22-2008, 11:01 PM

A lot more money is spent defending and paying out lawsuits than is saved by his prisons. Conditions at many of his jails(not Tent City) are abysmal and unsanitary.

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Originally Posted by War.mongeR1

Wow. I'm amazed everyone has so much sympathy for these prisoners. And does no one care about all the positive programs? Like them growing their own vegetables and taking care of shelter animals? Maybe this guy is a little nuts, but heck, he definitely has a good grip on the prison budget, which is something most prisons cannot say. I feel that we should be spending less money on overcrowded prisons and spend more elsewhere, like wildlife conservation and environmental protection for starters.

Drizzid · 03-22-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckets

A lot more money is spent defending and paying out lawsuits than is saved by his prisons. Conditions at many of his jails(not Tent City) are abysmal and unsanitary.

I'd like to know of a jail that isn't abysmal and unsanitary. No jail is perfect, especially considering the entire system is flawed. Arpaio has his flaws and I do agree it is time for him to step aside and bring some fresh blood in but I do think he has some policies that are good for the law abiding citizens of AZ.

**tHa_KhAn** · 03-25-2008, 12:45 PM

Most of the jails and prisons here in Florida are not air conditioned. It may not top 130+ , but 100-110 with 90+ % humidity inside of a concrete box is not very pleasant. I can't imagine the tent being any worse than the concrete, might be better with a breeze.

Switchcraft · 03-25-2008, 02:30 PM

I'd like to know about recidivism.

Buckets · 03-25-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchcraft

I'd like to know about recidivism.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0803/S00144.htm

It looks like the data is a bit fuzzy. This is the best I could find, although I don't know about the source. This quote is a bit telling, though...

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Maricopa County has the third largest county jail population in the United States, and it increases every year.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 03-26-2008, 09:06 AM

Does anybody remember the story about the jail with very low recidivism. The warden required absolute order at all times. No talking in the meal lines, eyes straight ahead at all times. No talking back. But they also offered many programs so that the prisoner can better themselves. And the warden demanded that he and the guards also show discipline and respect the prisoners.

The story was on 60 minutes I think. I want to say it was in California, maybe around San Francisco.

Basic discipline and respect. That, I think, is the key for most prisoners.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 03-26-2008, 09:24 AM

Article about other methods of reducing the revolving door.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003...ime30oct03.htm

**Jimmy Jammer** · 03-26-2008, 10:09 AM

My niece was there recently for a DUI as she lives in Scottsdale. It remains to be seen if his or those type of methods are effective.

03-22-2008, 08:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
War.mongeR1 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,064	Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Wow. I'm amazed everyone has so much sympathy for these prisoners. And does no one care about all the positive programs? Like them growing their own vegetables and taking care of shelter animals? Maybe this guy is a little nuts, but heck, he definitely has a good grip on the prison budget, which is something most prisons cannot say. I feel that we should be spending less money on overcrowded prisons and spend more elsewhere, like wildlife conservation and environmental protection for starters. __________________ "Common sense is not so common." -Voltaire

03-25-2008, 12:45 PM	#21 (permalink)
tHa_KhAn Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Gunshine State Age: 27 Posts: 1,923	Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Most of the jails and prisons here in Florida are not air conditioned. It may not top 130+ , but 100-110 with 90+ % humidity inside of a concrete box is not very pleasant. I can't imagine the tent being any worse than the concrete, might be better with a breeze. __________________

03-25-2008, 02:30 PM	#22 (permalink)
Switchcraft Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY Age: 30 Posts: 702	Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio I'd like to know about recidivism.

03-26-2008, 09:06 AM	#24 (permalink)
El_Gringo_Grande Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: OKIE HOMY Age: 39 Posts: 2,060	Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Does anybody remember the story about the jail with very low recidivism. The warden required absolute order at all times. No talking in the meal lines, eyes straight ahead at all times. No talking back. But they also offered many programs so that the prisoner can better themselves. And the warden demanded that he and the guards also show discipline and respect the prisoners. The story was on 60 minutes I think. I want to say it was in California, maybe around San Francisco. Basic discipline and respect. That, I think, is the key for most prisoners. __________________ Sen. John McCain (AZ) For President '08 --- I’m not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host. - "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette

03-26-2008, 09:24 AM	#25 (permalink)
El_Gringo_Grande Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: OKIE HOMY Age: 39 Posts: 2,060	Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Article about other methods of reducing the revolving door. http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003...ime30oct03.htm __________________ Sen. John McCain (AZ) For President '08 --- I’m not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host. - "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette

03-26-2008, 10:09 AM	#26 (permalink)
Jimmy Jammer Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northampton, MA Age: 48 Posts: 129	Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio My niece was there recently for a DUI as she lives in Scottsdale. It remains to be seen if his or those type of methods are effective. __________________ \|TG-55\| Infantry Division

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