Opinion article from local paper - Page 8

**CingularDuality** · 09-29-2004, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

Get caught with a set of lock-picks when you aren't a licensed lock-smith and see what happens.

Ummm, nothing? Most states have no laws that restrict the sale or ownership of lock picking tools... Some states do have laws against possession of burglary tools, but I don't think that just having a lock picking set is going to get you convicted.

And, yes, it was interesting that there were so many stockpiles of pesticides in Iraq when we invaded. Especially interesting considering the embargo...

**=DdogG=** · 09-29-2004, 02:44 PM

the best way to get away with evil is to look harmless. if you just need to mix a gallon of this with a gallon of that.... then why bother doing it ahead of time...... just leave them alone till you need them.

**Wolfie** · 09-29-2004, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

why bother to argue with redneck yanks about guns.

still no real counter to the fact guns are owned to kill designed to kill and ultimatly end up killing

Why should we argue with someone that ignores posts that counter his viewpoints?

Though I loved you newest post "ultimately end up killing". I am sure that there are millions of guns out there that never killed a person. Hell, the gun I own hasn't killed a single person and it has been in my family's possession for the past 40 years now.

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Originally Posted by Dudeman

oh cingular dont call me ignorant pal, it aint needed dont liek the argument, then **** off out of my face but dont insult me.

Dudeman, if you seriously get insulted because someone pointed out your ignorance, you really need to grow some thicker skin. Everyone is guilty of ignorance, don't make this personal.

Did anyone else thought it was highly ironic that in the same post Dudeman was complaining to Cing about pointing out his ignorance on something was insulting, he opened up the post with an insult against those that posted counterpoints to his "guns are only used to kill people" arguement?

wickerman · 09-30-2004, 09:43 AM

Wolfie, I've got a 1907 S&W revolver and a 12 gauge mossberg 300at riot shotgun, neither of which has ever killed a person (or been fired at one, as far as I know). I'd guess that most guns that are owned by private citizens are NOT used in the commision of any crime, it's the few that are that get the anti-gun lobby all fired up. Forget accurate statistics and logicical thought, outright fear and ignorance is much better to base a position on. That's the American Way

**TheFeniX** · 09-30-2004, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Ummm, nothing? Most states have no laws that restrict the sale or ownership of lock picking tools... Some states do have laws against possession of burglary tools, but I don't think that just having a lock picking set is going to get you convicted.

I had a friend get tossed in jail because he had a set of home-made lock-picks on him. In general, if you have no business carrying lock-picks, you'll get harassed for it.

Anyways, it's just a nit-pick. Even if you don't like this analogy: the point still stands.

**Wolfie** · 09-30-2004, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wickerman

Wolfie, I've got a 1907 S&W revolver and a 12 gauge mossberg 300at riot shotgun, neither of which has ever killed a person (or been fired at one, as far as I know). I'd guess that most guns that are owned by private citizens are NOT used in the commision of any crime, it's the few that are that get the anti-gun lobby all fired up. Forget accurate statistics and logicical thought, outright fear and ignorance is much better to base a position on. That's the American Way

I was hoping to find some better numbers to back this up but I haven't seen many good sites on the web

There are approx 35,000 deaths per year because of guns

Around 4 million guns are sold each year

http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/CtSimpsonAndPerra.htm

That means, assuming that only the new guns are used for murders and that each murder is done by an unique gun (this is actually a bad analogy because there are more repeat offenders in murders than people who only do it once), that would be around 0.9 percent guns used to kill people....0.9 percent. So how did Dudeman come up with the statement that guns eventually lead to killing if less than 1 percent are used in murders?

wickerman · 09-30-2004, 08:01 PM

It would be interesting to compare your numbers to the number of autos sold each year and the number of deaths involving an automobile. Guns are an easy target for the uninformed and easily excited/scared. I don't think it's possible to intelligently use accurate numbers to logically support a gun ban.

**Wolfie** · 09-30-2004, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wickerman

It would be interesting to compare your numbers to the number of autos sold each year and the number of deaths involving an automobile. Guns are an easy target for the uninformed and easily excited/scared. I don't think it's possible to intelligently use accurate numbers to logically support a gun ban.

In 2003, there were approx 38,000 fatalities in traffic accidents and 16.6 million cars sold (Ward's 2004). That is about 0.2 percent. Similar figure to deaths by guns.

**CingularDuality** · 10-01-2004, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

In 2003, there were approx 38,000 fatalities in traffic accidents

Hmmm, that number seems awfully low....

**Wolfie** · 10-01-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Hmmm, that number seems awfully low....

Not by much according to this source..

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/nhtsa/annou...e=pr38-04.html

42,643 in 2003

So that makes it 0.3 percent

**CingularDuality** · 10-02-2004, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Not by much according to this source..

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/nhtsa/annou...e=pr38-04.html

42,643 in 2003

So that makes it 0.3 percent

Wow, that's a LOT lower than I would've guessed.

**CingularDuality** · 10-03-2004, 03:12 PM

Ammo for your next opinion article?:

**CingularDuality** · 10-03-2004, 03:20 PM

And a very informative 13 minute video on Senator Kerry's voting history: http://www.nrapvf.org/multimedia/Player.aspx?ID=15

**Wolfie** · 10-03-2004, 05:55 PM

Yeah, when I read about Kerry supporting the bill to ban semi-automatic and pump shotguns, I realized that he truly wasn't a hunter or supported hunters.

Benny_ · 10-04-2004, 06:58 AM

I'll admit to not understanding a lot of the firearms stuff, but am open to listen. I can kinda understand wanting to go target shooting or maybe hunting, but whats the joy of a auto shotgun?

I know clay pigeon or game shooting, is that the same there?

09-29-2004, 02:44 PM	#107 (permalink)
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09-30-2004, 09:43 AM	#109 (permalink)
wickerman Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 230	Re: Opinion article from local paper Wolfie, I've got a 1907 S&W revolver and a 12 gauge mossberg 300at riot shotgun, neither of which has ever killed a person (or been fired at one, as far as I know). I'd guess that most guns that are owned by private citizens are NOT used in the commision of any crime, it's the few that are that get the anti-gun lobby all fired up. Forget accurate statistics and logicical thought, outright fear and ignorance is much better to base a position on. That's the American Way __________________

09-30-2004, 08:01 PM	#112 (permalink)
wickerman Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 230	Re: Opinion article from local paper It would be interesting to compare your numbers to the number of autos sold each year and the number of deaths involving an automobile. Guns are an easy target for the uninformed and easily excited/scared. I don't think it's possible to intelligently use accurate numbers to logically support a gun ban. __________________

10-03-2004, 03:12 PM	#117 (permalink)
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10-03-2004, 05:55 PM	#119 (permalink)
Wolfie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 1,405	Re: Opinion article from local paper Yeah, when I read about Kerry supporting the bill to ban semi-automatic and pump shotguns, I realized that he truly wasn't a hunter or supported hunters.

10-04-2004, 06:58 AM	#120 (permalink)
Benny_ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 369	Re: Opinion article from local paper I'll admit to not understanding a lot of the firearms stuff, but am open to listen. I can kinda understand wanting to go target shooting or maybe hunting, but whats the joy of a auto shotgun? I know clay pigeon or game shooting, is that the same there?

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