Opinion article from local paper - Page 9

**CingularDuality** · 10-04-2004, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Benny_

I'll admit to not understanding a lot of the firearms stuff, but am open to listen. I can kinda understand wanting to go target shooting or maybe hunting, but whats the joy of a auto shotgun?

I know clay pigeon or game shooting, is that the same there?

By auto, you mean semi-automatic, right? Fully-automatic shotguns would be restricted here by the NFA (like other machine guns)...

Why would someone want one? Well, for the same reasons someone might want a car with an automatic transmission... No need to rack a slide in between shots, or to break it open and reload after every other shot...

And yes, we hunt gamebirds here and enjoy the clay sports, mostly trap and skeet.

**TheFeniX** · 10-04-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Benny_

I'll admit to not understanding a lot of the firearms stuff, but am open to listen. I can kinda understand wanting to go target shooting or maybe hunting, but whats the joy of a auto shotgun?

Shotguns are weirdly labeled:
Automatic does not mean you pull the trigger once and it fires multiple rounds. Automatic means when you pull the trigger the gun will automatically load another round. This differs from a pump shotgun. With those, you have to pump it, fire, then pump it again. Automatics use the recoil of the gun firing to load another shell (like how automatic pistols works: You load a round into the chamber, then you can fire until the clip is empty without pulling the hammer back again).

**CingularDuality** · 10-08-2004, 01:06 AM

Interesting poll from a liberal US Congresswoman from California: http://www.house.gov/susandavis/surv...ober_2004.html

I say interesting, because it intrigues me the way the poll ignores facts and focuses on emotions: Why would it matter if someone "thinks" the AWB reduced crime, when the facts show that it did not?

At any rate, I encourage everyone, regardless of whether you agree with my opinion or not, to tell this Congresswoman how you feel. Despite the biased poll, this is a good example of a politician getting a feel for what people think. Kudos to her for that.

IceCold · 10-08-2004, 07:54 PM

Hmmm, the results after 3 days are pretty staggering:

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SURVEY RESULTS
Survey started on 10/05/2004.
The last response was on 10-08-2004 19:09.

Question No. 1: Do you think it was right to let the Assault Weapons Ban expire?

Yes 99.7% 66084 Votes
No 0.3% 186 Votes
Undecided 0.1% 37 Votes
Total: 66307 Votes

Question No. 2: Do you believe that the Assault Weapons Ban helped to reduce crimes committed with firearms?

Yes 0.2% 113 Votes
No 99.8% 66167 Votes
Undecided 0.1% 35 Votes
Total: 66315 Votes

Question No. 3: Do you think that letting the Assault Weapons Ban expire will hurt our efforts to strengthen homeland security?

Yes 0.3% 182 Votes
No 99.7% 66104 Votes
Undecided 0.0% 28 Votes
Total: 66314 Votes

Question No. 4: How would you characterize your feelings about gun control in general?

We need to strengthen our gun control laws. 0.1% 99 Votes
I am satisfied with current gun control laws. 0.7% 474 Votes
Our gun control laws are overreaching and threaten our 2nd Amendment Rights. 99.1% 65688 Votes
Undecided 0.1% 57 Votes
Total: 66318 Votes

I'll bet this poll disappears and is never quoted by any Democrat.

**luna** · 10-08-2004, 08:15 PM

I'd also wager it isn't an accurate assessment of the national opinion- clearly, it has been spammed.

**CingularDuality** · 10-08-2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by =luna=

I'd also wager it isn't an accurate assessment of the national opinion- clearly, it has been spammed.

Agreed. I don't understand why she didn't have people register with a name and address so that she could (theoretically) follow up and insure that only her constituents were voting in the poll.

**CingularDuality** · 10-10-2004, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by =luna=

I'd also wager it isn't an accurate assessment of the national opinion- clearly, it has been spammed.

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SURVEY RESULTS
Survey started on 10/05/2004.
The last response was on 10-10-2004 10:46.

Question No. 1: Do you think it was right to let the Assault Weapons Ban expire?

Yes 18.4% 79472 Votes
No 73.7% 318131 Votes
Undecided 7.9% 33937 Votes
Total: 431540 Votes

Question No. 2: Do you believe that the Assault Weapons Ban helped to reduce crimes committed with firearms?

Yes 73.7% 317847 Votes
No 18.4% 79550 Votes
Undecided 7.9% 34057 Votes
Total: 431454 Votes

Question No. 3: Do you think that letting the Assault Weapons Ban expire will hurt our efforts to strengthen homeland security?

Yes 73.7% 317967 Votes
No 18.4% 79433 Votes
Undecided 7.9% 34054 Votes
Total: 431454 Votes

Question No. 4: How would you characterize your feelings about gun control in general?

We need to strengthen our gun control laws. 73.7% 317858 Votes
I am satisfied with current gun control laws. 8.2% 35452 Votes
Our gun control laws are overreaching and threaten our 2nd Amendment Rights. 18.1% 77901 Votes
Undecided 0.1% 249 Votes
Total: 431460 Votes

The spam has changed flavor. 300,000 votes in 6 hours.

**CingularDuality** · 10-11-2004, 10:58 PM

Here's a good site that could prove that guns cause violent crime. I'm going to be following it closely to see what transpires...

**phyllis** · 10-12-2004, 05:16 PM

I watched it for an hour...didn't see anything violent, or even slightly criminal going on....

**Pokerface** · 10-12-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by phyllis

I watched it for an hour...didn't see anything violent, or even slightly criminal going on....

Well gosh, the weapon isn't doing anything bad!

You know, I bet a nuclear warhead would look pretty boring just sitting there too. I've learned my lesson: so long as the owner is responsible, weapons are OK to have. Thanks for helping me reach my change of heart.

**CingularDuality** · 10-13-2004, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

Well gosh, the weapon isn't doing anything bad!

You know, I bet a nuclear warhead would look pretty boring just sitting there too. I've learned my lesson: so long as the owner is responsible, weapons are OK to have. Thanks for helping me reach my change of heart.

One down, how many millions of liberals are left?

**Pokerface** · 10-13-2004, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

One down, how many millions of liberals are left?

That are chock full of the sarcasm I possess? A few hundred million, at least.

**CingularDuality** · 10-13-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

That are chock full of the sarcasm I possess? A few hundred million, at least.

<GASP!> That was sarcasm????

I'm so disappointed in you... You stated the obvious and now I'm finding out that it was a sarcastic reply? Sigh...

Why would it be wrong for someone that is "responsible" to have a weapon?

**leejo** · 10-13-2004, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

Well gosh, the weapon isn't doing anything bad!

You know, I bet a nuclear warhead would look pretty boring just sitting there too. I've learned my lesson: so long as the owner is responsible, weapons are OK to have. Thanks for helping me reach my change of heart.

That's a pretty hysterical and silly comparison.

IceCold · 10-13-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by leejo

That's a pretty hysterical and silly comparison.

I don't think so. I think that on a grand scale, that's pretty much how world leaders feel about large weapons, as well.

10-08-2004, 01:06 AM	#123 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,140	Re: Opinion article from local paper Interesting poll from a liberal US Congresswoman from California: http://www.house.gov/susandavis/surv...ober_2004.html I say interesting, because it intrigues me the way the poll ignores facts and focuses on emotions: Why would it matter if someone "thinks" the AWB reduced crime, when the facts show that it did not? At any rate, I encourage everyone, regardless of whether you agree with my opinion or not, to tell this Congresswoman how you feel. Despite the biased poll, this is a good example of a politician getting a feel for what people think. Kudos to her for that. __________________ Become a supporting member! Buy a Tactical Duck! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

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CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,140	Re: Opinion article from local paper Here's a good site that could prove that guns cause violent crime. I'm going to be following it closely to see what transpires... __________________ Become a supporting member! Buy a Tactical Duck! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

10-12-2004, 05:16 PM	#129 (permalink)
phyllis Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dayton Ohio Age: 40 Posts: 1,502	Re: Opinion article from local paper I watched it for an hour...didn't see anything violent, or even slightly criminal going on.... __________________

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