Fenian420

"Keep friends close but your enemies closer"

And you call them terrorists like they dont see a reason of why they would do the things they do.. Terrorists do make negotiations, ceasefires and disband as a whole sometimes just from open talk...

Elwenil

Bah, the terrorists we are up against in the world are fanatics and won't back down just from talk. They are notorious for ignoring truces and cease-fire agreements when it suits them. It has been a long standing policy to not deal or negotiate with terrorists. It's akin to making a deal with the Devil. Better to wipe them off the face of the Earth permanently then to reach any sort of agreement with them. Our lives mean nothing to them and I say we treat them the same. I will not support a President that tries to treat with the vermin of the world.

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Fenian420

I think it was Hamas (either that or the PLO) that was talking with Israel about long term ceasefires if it gave a certain amount of Israel back to the Palestinean people...

And I think we already made a deal with the devil when we elected Bush in office,

Kerostasis

Various Palestinian groups have been talking with Israel about that almost since it was founded. On a fair number of occasions they've actually reached an agreement, and Israel has handed over large chunks of land in exchange for peace. And, oh look, none of the peace agreements were respected by Hamas and the PLO, and they're still attacking Israel.

The primary reason we (normally) refuse to negotiate with terrorists is because most of them don't honor their agreements anyway.

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FatCobra

Theoretically... If Mexico was sending missiles and mortar rounds from their land into Texas and said that if we gave them back all the land that once belonged to them (Texas, California, etc.) they would stop attacking us, would you want to negotiate with them while they are killing American civilians or would you rather just kill them all instead until they stop?

Elwenil

A lot of people, liberals especially, continually make the foolish assumption that terrorists can be reasoned with. They can't. They are taught from birth to hate everything about us. They poison their children's minds with hate and to prey on our weaknesses. Unfortunately, the very fact that some of us think that we can negotiate with them is a weakness as well as our unwillingness to cause mass innocent casualties. These people are not bank robbers who want to make a deal for their freedom, or money. They are not domestic criminals who ultimately want to survive. These people are bred and raised with the idea that to die killing Americans and our allies is a glorious thing. They will willingly kill themselves to inflict casualties and have no desires other than to die in the service of their "god".

In reality, they are just poor brainwashed fools who rush to carry out an agenda not for religion, but for money and power. These people can be bought off and dealt with since they know that the religious teachings are BS and are only interested in more worldly concerns. The problem is that as soon as one takes a deal, the next leader in line who craves money and power will denounce the former, proclaim them as the true leader of the faith and the cycle continues endlessly. As long as they continue to breed their hatred and teach their children their hate propaganda, then we will be in danger of attack from them.

It's no different than some backwoods family that teaches their kids to hate African Americans. Or people like Rev. Wright who teach people to hate Caucasian Americans. Young minds are impressionable and those impressions last a lifetime. Until they are stopped completely, there will never be peace with the radical Muslims.

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ScratchMonkey

Careful not to label every dark-skinned person in the Middle East as a terrorist. There are plenty of decent people caught in the middle just trying to live their lives, and like many Americans, suffer the idiots running their country because they have lives and need to get a job done to raise a family, not march in the streets risking their lives to change the status quo.

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Elwenil

I think if you read my post you will realize that I was speaking of terrorists and radical Muslims, not of Muslims in general or all peoples who live in the Middle East region.

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Hambergler

All you Obama haters out there, you've had your chance. 8 years and all we have to show for it is a sh**ty mess, they say insanity is doing the same thing and expecting diffrent results. Well we are going to do things differently. Cry all you want he will still win. He is a US senator, to say he supports terrorists makes you sound like the fanatic. The terrorists HAVE won they have taken your mind.

Be careful Out There...

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Elwenil

That's funny, I don't recall Obama running for President in the last election.

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ScratchMonkey

The phrase "terrorist nation" is one of those phrases that means what you want it to mean. The present government of Burma might be a candidate. Should we refuse to deal with them and not send aid? What about China and its treatment of Tibet? Or North Korea and its nuclear foibles? Are you suggesting we bring all the diplomats home and refuse to deal with any government that imposes force to achieve its political ends? (I'm actually not opposed to that.)

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Elwenil

I don't recall using the term "terrorist nation" but it can be applied to certain nations in the world. And yes, it can mean different things to different people, but generally the United States does not negotiate with terrorists, their organizations, or deal favorably with nations who fund or support terrorists or their actions. I am in complete agreement with this. When they can be trusted to bring their grievances to a world court or even a public forum and work out their problems in a civilized manner, then fine, we can sit down with them and discuss it. But as long as they use terror as a weapon and a political tool, as long as they use innocents as a shield for their cowardly acts, as long as they teach their children to hate without reason, and as long as they promote what can only be called evil behind the guise of a peaceful religion, then no, I do not support any action to parlay with them or make any deals or arrangements.

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Sara

Mccain is Bush
Hillary is Bill
Obama is Obama

Do we want a second bush? - No
Do we want Bill running again? - No
Do we want someone who speaks his mind and has good thoughts? - Yes

A vote for John McCain is a vote for dead soldiers.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for killing kids futures.
A vote for Obama is a vote for your country.

There we go. Plain and simple.

Elwenil

I strongly disagree.

McCain might be a lighter version of Bush, but I feel that's a good thing. He's also the only one of the 3 major candidates that isn't talking a bunch of trash and that means something to me.

Hillary is a liar, plain and simple. She's been caught lying several times in her campaign already. That's enough to make me run away.

Obama has questionable allies in the world, no experience dealing with other world leaders and has been a worthless senator that refuses to vote on many issues. He calls and preaches all this change, but has no clue how to do it. His is an empty campaign that is riding the wave of anti-Bush/anti-Republican sentiment all the while crying out for "miscellaneous change" that he can't explain or back up. The fact that his campaign is lacking an real substance or experience and he has multiple ties to people of questionable agendas makes me wonder what his real motives are. He can whine about change all he wants, but until he can spell out a comprehensive plan on how he is going to make all these changes, I refuse to take him seriously. All his answers just bring up more questions that he either refuses to answer, he answers with an impossibility or he sidesteps the question. Mark my words, if Obama makes it into the White House, he will lead us to ruin.

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Sara

Your labeling Obama as a terrorist just because he is from a troubled part of the country. He is still american. I agree with Clinton but do you really want McCain to throw MORE troops in Iraq. There's more then enough already.